A friend and I went and shot the .62 smooth bores today, usually use 2f goex, friend brought some 1f goex to try.I shot better using the 1f today than I shoot the 2f, noticeable difference. He shot a 10x and 1 touching the 10 ring at 50 yards offhand, we come to the conclusion that there seems to be a big difference in accuracy and recoil. Might have to try some more. flinch
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Interesting ... as I just bought some 1Fg to try in my longer barreled (48", 54" & 60") smoothies of 62, 65 & 75-calibers. My other smoothies are the shorter 42 & 44" lengths.
As an old timer I met at the range, who was an antique firearms curator for the US Parks Dept, says I'll get a more complete burn for these barrel lengths & calibers. He also recommended that I also try the 1Fg powdah in my patent 1811 Hall flintlock breech-loading black powdah rifle.
Will give it a go next weekend! And will report back ... :hatsoff:
As an old timer I met at the range, who was an antique firearms curator for the US Parks Dept, says I'll get a more complete burn for these barrel lengths & calibers. He also recommended that I also try the 1Fg powdah in my patent 1811 Hall flintlock breech-loading black powdah rifle.
Will give it a go next weekend! And will report back ... :hatsoff:
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flinch said:
Most interesting!
I've never tried 1f with RB's, mostly because I almost never shoot RB's from smoothies. It's all shot loads for me. In 20, 12 and 10 gauge I've had noticeable pattern improvement with 1f (shooting equal volumes of shot and powder).
If I ever get around to shooting RBs much, I'm betting I won't even have to change powder horns.
Thanks!
I have shot a little fg in my smooth bore 16 gauge.
What little I used , I got better patterns with shot from the fg vs.ffg.
The Jury's still out with a round ball. :hmm:
What little I used , I got better patterns with shot from the fg vs.ffg.
The Jury's still out with a round ball. :hmm:
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spudnut said:
I prime my own Bess with 1f. Seemed reasonable to me after watching how paper cartridges were used, and after all there was that big old pan. If it's any slower than finer granulations for prime, I'm not smart enough to see it. I quit carrying separate priming powder the first day I tried 1f in the pan, and I've never looked back.
All militaries primed from the powder in the paper cartridge by the mid 18th century...that's just how it was. Have done the same, not sure I could actually tell the difference in powder grain sizes for most flintlock muskets, assuming touch hole is properly located and large enough.
That is not an unusual finding as coarser grade powders are 'slower' than the others and give a push rather than a blast to yer projectiles. Ifn it works and you like it that is all that matters. Howsomever....not all coarse grades are created equal. :shocked2: I had some Swiss 1 1/2Fg and could not get reliable ignition with it in my smoothie fowler. It is a different color than 2 or 3 Fg. Swiss. Found out it is coated and intended for used in black powder cartridges.
As for priming, I use 4Fg for prime in my 20 ga. fowler and Brown Bess. I use it because it is also called "priming powder" and I am just plain stubborn. :wink: Plus I like it, have a lot and it works for me. Do yer own thang and enjoy. :v
As for priming, I use 4Fg for prime in my 20 ga. fowler and Brown Bess. I use it because it is also called "priming powder" and I am just plain stubborn. :wink: Plus I like it, have a lot and it works for me. Do yer own thang and enjoy. :v
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I use Fg in both my 12 ga smoothbores with shot an ball. I love the stuff an suggest anyone shooting large cal guns to give it a try :thumbsup:
Try reducing your 2Fg load by 10% and see what happens. :wink:
A more complete burn for the longer barrels?
I think he meant you'll get a steadier burn for the complete length of your barrel with the slower burning powder. With a faster powder and a barrel longer than 46" you probably will complete the burning of the powder many inches short of the muzzle, while the 1Fg should burn all the way to the muzzle.
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Just a little update on the 1f powder. Ordered 5 pounds, a bit spendy for just 5 pounds but wanted to give it a good test, (have spent money on worse things)another good range session with patched round ball using 65 gr. 1f. shot mostly off the bench to give it a good test, shot a few loads of shot, (need to do more testing with shot, but ok for now, am very satisfied with the round ball groups, pretty sure I will use only 1f in it. I don't know if it is anticipated recoil using 2f (sharp kick) versus the low recoil of the 1f, or if the gun just likes the 1f? Again, have never shot this good with this gun! flinch
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Dang ... now i gotta get some 1Fg to try. My 20 is still learnin me so im all about letting it tell me what it desires for shooting good. Thanks for the hint
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Most of the guys I know who poopoo 1f and say 2f is better haven't actually tried 1f. Those who have actually tried it usually come away smiling. I first tried it in a period when shelves were bare of 2f and 3f, yet I still wanted to go boom. Now I buy more 1f than anything else.
Just a question, how much velocity do you (think) you lose using 1Fg vs. 2Fg? If you are just target shooting it may not make a difference. Small game would be about the same I guess. My only worry is using the slower burn of 1Fg for chasing flying game like waterfowl, woodcock, snipe, dove ect. Have you noticed a difference? I would be interested in trying 1Fg.
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When I bought my centermark the recommended charge was 80 grains of 2 f. I tried that and it shot well. I tried 75 grande without any improvement and never went lower. At 90 the groups started to open and I never shot the 100 that centermark said was tops. 80 was more then enough for Bambi for shot I went with 70.
Then I noticed people on the forum talking about 60 or 65 and getting good groups , so I tried 65 and had a plesent surprise. Have to give the 1f a try.
I know that might mean an afternoon at the range playing with charges to get it right. Oh the horror. The sacrifices we have to make to serve our guns :grin:
Then I noticed people on the forum talking about 60 or 65 and getting good groups , so I tried 65 and had a plesent surprise. Have to give the 1f a try.
I know that might mean an afternoon at the range playing with charges to get it right. Oh the horror. The sacrifices we have to make to serve our guns :grin:
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HistorianASU2010 said:
Notta clue and I haven't cared enough to check. In truth it patterns so much better in all my shotloads (20, 12 and 10 gauge) that I'm killing more reliably, no matter what the velocity.
As an added bonus, it's easier to load in the field. Rather than needing separate measures for powder and shot, I use equal volumes of each. I'm using olive oil on my wads and the fouling stays soft, so even if it "fouls more" than 2f, it's a non-issue for loading.
I just flat like it, starting of course with the smoother, tighter patterns.
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tenngun said:
You have my deepest sympathies, sir. :hatsoff:
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flinch said:
I have never tried to use 1f to launch any kind of projectile, ball nor shot. My only experience with it was when I was doing Civil War reenacting. We were given a big supply of it to use in our reenacting. I found it to be very dirty and was a mess to clean up. I don't own a smoothbore presently but am looking for one. When I find what I want, I am going to have to give 1f another try based on what I have read on this thread telling how well it works in patterning shot.
Well, I have been at this for probably over 30 years, thought I knew it all, would have never tried it if buddy would not have brought a can with him, (that he had been given). Turns out I don' know as much as I thought! Just when you think you know it all! I never was really satisfied with the way this gun shot, till I tried the 1f powder. Just seems way more consistant than the 2f I had been using.
