The OP offered a different title and that is what this should be, his alternative title.
As for the Grizzly Bear encounter, we do not know where the two shots penetrated the bear. But that is the goal of a shot, do disabling damage. If you blow a Grizzly bear shoulder out and all it can do is circles, unless you are in the circle, you can plink it at your leisure.
A popular shotgun load for surveyors or other bush crawlers (fish counters, geologists etc) was 4 double O Buck and a slug.
For a Grizzly odds are you will not get a shot off. If you do, then the O Buck shreds the face (or that is the idea). You have 3 more rounds. Assuming its blind now, the slug kills it, even if slowly as shot placement is difficult to say the least on a bear scrambling around.
The other school was Slugs, I never thought that was worth spit. I had seen said bears move and a big slug miss is a surveyor getting mauled.
Also situation specific. Curl up was better than shooting, pepper spray best of all but I know one case where the guy did not get it out of the holster. A Peperr Spray can in the hand is priceless.
One poster said shock of larger rounds. Well a 20mm yes, but bullets reality range .357 to 45.
Does the bullet transmit its energy? A amped up person si just like a bear, once going they shrug off anything but a central nervous system hit (yes a heart shot works but not as fast though it might be good enough)
I had a laugh about the guy who herded the Griz back to his party. I would have shot that guy. You idiot. A 45-70 at range, yes. Pistols at arm reach, you are stupid. If a bear runs away you just won the lottery.
Self defense ammo is not considered equal in 9mm up through 44. Its just luck of the draw.
I know of one encounter where a guy with a 44 magnum started shooting at a guy with a 45 ACP 1911 (Range war where a group of drug runners was taking over other peoples cabins)
The good guy with the 45 won, he had two more shots and number 7 or 8 hit something lethal. He in turn was hit 4 x by the 44, none of them was lethal. Best is SD ammo and lots of rounds.
But none of it does a lick of good sans shot placement.
This is a short version of Elmer Keith hunt out on the Alaska Peninsula (caribou and grizzly bears). 5 of his part are stopped atop a small hill (typical of that area) and one guy looks back and its, oh ****. Coming up the hill hell bent is a grizzly.. Ok, this is not a cub charge, we did not startle, all rifles on deck.
I don't remember who had what but they all had 30-06, 35 Whalen group. All were experienced big game and they shifted to a line and opened up as they got a clear shot.
The bear dies at their feet. Most of the shots hit. I read that account long ago, I don't remember if it was accumulated damage or someone finally got the trifecta. Stopping power? Yea right.
SD ammo is te4sted for penetration (ie duplicate human body) and you don't want it going through. Its tested for expansion and how much and reliable.
Law enforcement or security are still taught center of mass. Because you should hit something and some stuff that will drop someone is in that area.
Its not stopping power, its playing the odds. You stack them in your favor.
Can you even see someone through the smoke of the first shot (BP revolver getting back to that) or the 2nd? Its why Nelson climbed the mast, he needed to see! (well he had people up there to see for him).
So yea, change the title. As is knowing the reaction its just troll bait. Yea I am a bit at loose ends this afternoon and thought some tales from Alaska might liven up someones day.
As for the Grizzly Bear encounter, we do not know where the two shots penetrated the bear. But that is the goal of a shot, do disabling damage. If you blow a Grizzly bear shoulder out and all it can do is circles, unless you are in the circle, you can plink it at your leisure.
A popular shotgun load for surveyors or other bush crawlers (fish counters, geologists etc) was 4 double O Buck and a slug.
For a Grizzly odds are you will not get a shot off. If you do, then the O Buck shreds the face (or that is the idea). You have 3 more rounds. Assuming its blind now, the slug kills it, even if slowly as shot placement is difficult to say the least on a bear scrambling around.
The other school was Slugs, I never thought that was worth spit. I had seen said bears move and a big slug miss is a surveyor getting mauled.
Also situation specific. Curl up was better than shooting, pepper spray best of all but I know one case where the guy did not get it out of the holster. A Peperr Spray can in the hand is priceless.
One poster said shock of larger rounds. Well a 20mm yes, but bullets reality range .357 to 45.
Does the bullet transmit its energy? A amped up person si just like a bear, once going they shrug off anything but a central nervous system hit (yes a heart shot works but not as fast though it might be good enough)
I had a laugh about the guy who herded the Griz back to his party. I would have shot that guy. You idiot. A 45-70 at range, yes. Pistols at arm reach, you are stupid. If a bear runs away you just won the lottery.
Self defense ammo is not considered equal in 9mm up through 44. Its just luck of the draw.
I know of one encounter where a guy with a 44 magnum started shooting at a guy with a 45 ACP 1911 (Range war where a group of drug runners was taking over other peoples cabins)
The good guy with the 45 won, he had two more shots and number 7 or 8 hit something lethal. He in turn was hit 4 x by the 44, none of them was lethal. Best is SD ammo and lots of rounds.
But none of it does a lick of good sans shot placement.
This is a short version of Elmer Keith hunt out on the Alaska Peninsula (caribou and grizzly bears). 5 of his part are stopped atop a small hill (typical of that area) and one guy looks back and its, oh ****. Coming up the hill hell bent is a grizzly.. Ok, this is not a cub charge, we did not startle, all rifles on deck.
I don't remember who had what but they all had 30-06, 35 Whalen group. All were experienced big game and they shifted to a line and opened up as they got a clear shot.
The bear dies at their feet. Most of the shots hit. I read that account long ago, I don't remember if it was accumulated damage or someone finally got the trifecta. Stopping power? Yea right.
SD ammo is te4sted for penetration (ie duplicate human body) and you don't want it going through. Its tested for expansion and how much and reliable.
Law enforcement or security are still taught center of mass. Because you should hit something and some stuff that will drop someone is in that area.
Its not stopping power, its playing the odds. You stack them in your favor.
Can you even see someone through the smoke of the first shot (BP revolver getting back to that) or the 2nd? Its why Nelson climbed the mast, he needed to see! (well he had people up there to see for him).
So yea, change the title. As is knowing the reaction its just troll bait. Yea I am a bit at loose ends this afternoon and thought some tales from Alaska might liven up someones day.
