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FV Rago

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Getting ready to take the new old long gun to the range to work up a hunting load.

Now the long gun has a 44" barrel. Planning on working up a load, what would ya'll suggest as a good 100 yard load? I will be shooting 3F as that is what I shoot in my other guns.

Any suggestions would be greately appreciated.

Thanks,

Frank
 
FVR said:
Getting ready to take the new old long gun to the range to work up a hunting load.

Now the long gun has a 44" barrel. Planning on working up a load, what would ya'll suggest as a good 100 yard load? I will be shooting 3F as that is what I shoot in my other guns.

Any suggestions would be greately appreciated.

Thanks,

Frank
I use a stout hunting load in a shorter 32" Flint barrel:

90grns Goex 3F
Oxyoke prelubed wad
.018" pillow ticking
Hornady .440
 
In my .45 Hawken I use 75 grs WANO PPP, 0.12 mm patch and .445 RB. Good accuracy up to 50 m.
 
Frank : YOur maximum charge using a prb will be about 80 grains in that caliber and barrel length. I have clocked a 65 grain load of 3Fg powder in a .45 rifle that has a 37 inch barrel, and we are right up at 1900 fps, or faster. Start there and go up to that 75 grain load. Use a chronograph, and see if you are getting more real velocity for each increment of powder increase, by adding more powder.

Penetration in game is a function of the weight of the ball, and not speed. A round ball loses velocity very quickly, simply because it has a terrible ballistic's coefficient. The ball will weight something around 124 grains. Its more than adequate to kill a deer sized animal out to 100 yds, and probably a bit more, if the shooter can place the ball properly. Expect even that ball to pass through both sides of a deer on a broadside shot that does not strike leg bones. If you are looking for greater penetration, using a round ball, you have to go to a larger caliber to increase the weight of the ball. Using conicals, you can increase the weight of the bullet by increasing its length. A long bullet requires a faster rate of twist to stabilize it in flight, so we are limited on what kind of conicals can even be used in guns made to shoot round balls accurately. In .45 caliber, a ROT of 1:56, or 1:60 is considered desireable for a strictly round ball gun. Most come with a 1:48 ROT, and represent a compromise for shooting Both round ball and short conicals. The slightly faster ROT simply means that the gun might be a little sensitive to any changes in the powder charge loaded.
 
Before I rebarreled my .45 to a .40 I used 75grs FFF...This was with a 42 inch Douglas barrel...I remember the first deer I ever killed with that rifle...A nice doe at about 50 yards...I hit her high in the shoulder, the ball passed through the shoulder blade, spine, through the off side shoulder and lodged in the hide on the oppsite side...
 
I have checked muzzlevel. also in cal .45 with conicals (maxiball). A .450240 maxiball with 75grs WANO PPP brought a vel. of 560 m/s or 1680 fps thats 2200 J or about 1600 flps.
 
With a PRB .440 127gr.
a 42" barrel
75gr Goex fffg
you get 2149fps/655ms
and 1716 J.
:hatsoff:
 
But the load is not strong enough to hold 1000 J at 100m ? Because the ballistic coefficient of a RB is so bad, I think. But on the other hand it seems unbelievable that the RB will lose so much energy, over 716 J at 100m.
 
Gents,

Thanks for all the info. I will be making a trip to the range very soon. I will be sticking with the roundball. I did the calcs for the length of burn from another post and 80 grains is the max. I think I may start with the 65 and work up. Prim. going to use the pea shooter for deer and hogs, if'n I can get the long gun into the thickets.

Again, thanks for all the help, ya'll are a wealth of info.

Frank
 
Franks: if you can go into a thicket, you can put the gun through the thicket, too.

I don't know why people want to bust through heavy cover. The animals don't. Perhaps people have spent too many hours watching bad movies about the jungles of Africa, and S. American, where there is always someone hacking his way through the thick stuff with a machet, or jungle knife.

You are not a bulldozer. Don't try to hunt like you are. If you pay attention to the ground, you will find game trails going around thickets that are too heavy to penetrate. Follow the trail. Chances are strong that the animal you are chasing followed the game trail, too. Tkae a look at the floor of the trail. You might just find its fresh trakcs there, and learn another way to hunt!

FWIW, I have hunted with a 52 ihch long rifle in some of the thickest river bottom stuff Illinois grows. I am a little over 6 feet tall. There has never been anything I could go through that I could not point my rifle into and go through, also.
 

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