.451 vs. .454

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mdrougas

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I've been looking over many of the recent post and surprised to find that I've missed somethings when I read the manual for my Colt Army .44. I've been using .451's and don't remember if they were recommended or I just decided to use .451. I bought the gun from Cabela's about 12 years ago and I got the "starter kit" that cabela's sells. So maybe the .451's came in the starter kit.
So, as for performance, what would I notice between the two ( .451 vs .454 )??? I use 24 grains of Goex triple F now. Would I change my powder load?? Thanks much in advance. MJD
 
I can't speak to the Army, but .451s are a better fit for my 1851 Navy's, both short and long barrel.
 
What is the diameter of the chambers? If .445 then .451's are good. If .448 then .454's are good. A ball diameter .006 larger than the chamber well give you a nice ring about .003. The larger the ball the larger the ring it shaves and the larger the flat that is created by that shaving. To large of ball can damage the loading lever, bend or break the pivot screw on the 51 style. The creeping lever on the 60 Army is more robust. No matter what ball size you use it is shaved to chamber diameter.

Generally, Pietta uses a smaller ball then other manufacturers. I use .457 in my Uberti and Colt .44's. It well not make any difference in powder charge.
 
I use .454's in everything I own. Both Uberti's and Pietta's. I don't own a Ruger Old Army (they work best with .457's).

Remember what you're looking for: a small ring of shaved lead as you push the balls into each chamber in the cylinder. If you're getting that now with the .451's, you're good to go now, don't fix what isn't broken.

Good luck with the revolver, and enjoy shooting it!

Dave
 
Have a suggestion for you. If you have some dial calipers then try using them for GO/NO GO gauges. Lock the dial for 447, 448, 449, 450, etc and find out what the variations are from chamber to chamber. Just lightly run the points in a little at the mouth to check for fit. Even a 0.003" difference isn't terribly unusual for .44's depending on the equipment used to perform the reaming. Or maybe it's like the auto assembly lines and depends on the day of the week!

The reamers used on the chambers typically have a little taper to them so reaching the calipers deeply into the chambers can really throw you off in trying to figure out what you have. My favorite way is just to put a round ball on the chamber mouth and try to get by with as little shearing as I can.
Once upon a time I radius ground the entrance into the chambers to swedge the ball in rather than shear it off. It worked.

If I had a bunch of 44's or wanted to fix up used ones, I'd definitely get a straight reamer.
 
Thank you everyone for your input and Dave, I am getting a nice ring when I seat the Round Ball. So I'll just keep at what I'm doing. But it's nice to know I have another option for loading.
 
I'm not that mechanically inclined, and unfortunately I don't own a set of calipers. I know how to use them, I have used them in the past. I borrow them from friends every few years or so.

My take on this whole black powder thing is to be able to shoot straight with an out-of-the-box gun, be it a pistol or a rifle. I enjoy overcoming some of the obstacles that the Shootists of yesteryear had to overcome, but at the same time I enjoy being able to take advantage of some modern technology such as wonder-wads and modern gun manufacturing.

If I was to start looking for imperfections in my arms, I would lose some of the confidence that I've built-up over several years of competitively shooting black powder (and winning), and for me some of the fun would go away. Then I'd be playing "head games" with myself trying to identify imperfect chambers and not use them during a match, all the while worrying about second-guessing myself. So that's why KNOWING about an imperfection isn't good for me.

I like knowing that both me and the gun can shoot straight. Walking up to the line and knowing where the round is going to land is a distinct advantage in my shooting circle of friends, for they are that good! Feats of marksmanship at the three clubs I belong to that shoot BP are commonplace. Cutting playing cards in half, cutting fishing line, hitting eggs, shooting at a length of chain, shooting at a target that's 50 yards away, etc. all require confidence as well as good shooting technique. Sort of like a pro basketball player that can make a basket from mid-court and hear the "swish". I don't want to "lose my edge" by starting to go down the road of worrying whether or not one chamber is better or lousier than the next. I just shoot the darn revolver and take first place.

Out-of-the-box Dave
 
Dave- remind me not to challenge you to a duel :wink: :thumbsup: -cheers zodd
 
Zodd,

I'd love to shoot WITH YOU and not AT YOU!

How's summer down there? Here in Jersey it's a balmy 18 degrees this morning, so it's a bit chilly to load my revolvers :haha:

Cheers to you as well!

Dave
 
Had some hot days due to a blocking high in the tasman sea while at the same times had floods out west and in Queensland.If I ever get to US would love to have a shot with you too :) --cheers zodd
 
The citrus growers are going bonkers! We have front-page news coverage of the freeze up here in Jersey!

Stay warm & well!

Dave
 
:thumbsup: Sounds good! Now if I could only get the bloomin' Roo to stand still long enough...for a photo that is! :haha:

Dave
 
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