500 Yards, Stock 1:48 Twist TC Renegade .50 Cal

[bigstick6017555]

make an unedited video of you hitting steel at 1200 yds offhand

Britsmoothy just said that he would "like" to take a crack at it, I can not see where he stated he "could" hit it

 

[jeepjohn637]

Idaholelewis, I Enjoyed your post!!
Question regarding the lyman 57SML site?
Did you have to modify anything to affix the site to the tang? I have a few TC rifles and would love to try that!

 

[Capnball]

This, unfortunately, seems to be a common reaction to people that have worked on a shooting goal and achieved some success, which the commentor apparently does not share in the ability or dedication to achieve.

Put more simply "I cant do it, so I dont believe you or anyone else can, and therefore must be lying."

I've been saying that about Mary Lou Reton for years. "I can't do it, so I'm calling BS! LOL

 

[SPQR70AD]

I've been saying that about Mary Lou Reton for years. "I can't do it, so I'm calling BS! LOL

if I was able offhand to hit a gong at 1200 yds with a BP rifleI would make that video and start making money off it

 

[Bad Karma]

I am positive he responded to the 1200 yd shots he could make offhand. gun forums have the most bull crap on the internet. I had access to a farm with 800 yd and more to shoot. at the gun store I heard all this bragging so I brought at least 12 guys there to duplicate what they say they could do. they could not do 20% of what they said. all of them. also there are tons and tons of ammo available even in gas stations to feel free to wail away

Nope. He never said he’d make the shot. Just that he’d like to try.

 

[Nameless Hunter]

What you said and what you meant are now apparently two different things.

I had no problems understanding what he said and meant (it has a regular factory stock, factory barrel, factory lock, and factory trigger).
Adding a peep sight doesn't change the rifle's capability. If a rifle was only capable of 2 MOA out of the box, adding a peep will not make it a 1 MOA rifle.

 

[Capnball]

if I was able offhand to hit a gong at 1200 yds with a BP rifleI would make that video and start making money off it

There's some guys!

 

[Britsmoothy]

make an unedited video of you hitting steel at 1200 yds offhand

You have presumed to the point of foolishness sir.
I never mentioned 1200 yards, you did and I have no idea where in your imagination you plucked it from.
I never said I have hit a gong similar to the one used in Idaholewis's off hand.
Again I know not what part of your imagination is running away with your rational behaviour!

However, I have in the past made good shots off hand at long distances and it was fun and yes I guess very wasteful.
It's just that I have never done it with a muzzleloader.
While I am wasting my time answering you I will go on to say that I would not give a flying fig if after 10 shots I never hit the gong but if I got close to it off hand I would call it good.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

How about a nice Civil War Factoid discussion?

 

[Springerpanhead]

What does a custom shop gun have to do with their run of the mill "stock" production garbage quality?
Don't know what they might have done to the lint locks at the custom shop, but the stock flint locks were about on par with Italian garbage locks. Cheap mild crappy steel that had to be case hardened just to spark. My TC flint lock frizzen did not make it through the first range trip and had to be "fixed" under warranty..... three times before I wised up and got a better gun.

 

[Idaholewis]

Most TC barrels were not rifled or crowned uniformly enough for such accuracy. My TC Hawken had one groove that was barely a scratch and the flint locks were not worth crap.

And lets see a ten shot group..

Here is ANOTHER Old TC Renegade in Action this Morning, This one in .54 Cal

The Rifle on the Right, Old Pre-Warning TC Renegade .54 Cal, STOCK 1:48 Twist Just the way they came from the Factory Years ago, The ONLY Thing that is NOT Stock is the Sights. Rifle on the Left is the TC Renegade that i just Did 500 Yards with. There is a Video of this as well, I mention you in a Round about way

First 3 Shots

I sent 2 More for Good measure This is 5 Shots

 

[Springerpanhead]

What does a custom shop gun have to do with their run of the mill "stock" production garbage quality?
Don't know what they might have done to the lint locks at the custom shop, but the stock flint locks were about on par with Italian garbage locks. Cheap mild crappy steel that had to be case hardened just to spark. My TC flint lock frizzen did not make it through the first range trip and had to be "fixed" under warranty..... three times before I wised up and got a better gun.

You could order custom TC Encores and Contenders there which is why they called it a custom shop. The off the shelf muzzleloaders were just that, run of the mill production guns. Every mass manufacturing process occasionally produces a flawed ltem, and sometimes they slip through quality control. In the end YOU are the final quality control. YOU did not carefully inspect what you bought, and consequently screwed up and purchased a lemon. Instead of accepting the fact that you didn’t take care in examining your purchase, or admitting that at the time you did not have the knowledge to determine if what you were buying was faulty or not, you choose to disparage the manufacturer of what most agree is a truly excellent product. It’s time to put on your big boy pants and quit crying.

 

[Dude]

Kind of reminds me when two scientists reported (about 30 years ago) they had figured out cold fusion. Poor guys had to go into hiding fearing for their lives. I don't recall if they both lived through the attacks from all the scientists who knew it couldn't be done. (kind of think the attackers had a vested interest in preventing the planet getting cold fusion)

But then, stuff like this isn't new - take a look at Galileo for instance as just one example. This is the kind of s**t you run into on planet earth when you're different.

 

[renegadehunter]

Nice shootin' Lew. I always like your videos showing what the stock 1:48 barrel is capable of in comparison to the fast twist Rice and GM barrels you put on some of them. I'm very much more of a PRB under a 100 yards type of guy with muzzleloaders but as a life long shooter I can certainly appreciate the research, effort, attention to detail, experimenting, note taking, learning from failure, calculating, and steady hand that goes into shooting the distances and groups you do...and then being willing to fully share it with anybody and everybody that asks.

It's no secret what sights Idaholewis puts on them, he readily shares it, has instructional videos about it, and has stated countless times that changing the sights is one of the first things he does. He has also stated countless times that he couldn't shoot the groups and distances he does if it weren't for the sights (in part) he uses. They are clearly shown in his pics and videos with no effort to hide them. Not a difficult thing to figure out. Jealousy sure can interfere with rational thinking. Apparently some folks can't stand the fact that others are good shots too or...gasp...maybe even better shots.

And hey @Britsmoothy , I'll trade off trying to hit that 500 yard gong offhand with you. Sounds like fun. Fair warning, if I manage to hit it even once in 50 tries you'll never shut me up about it.

 

[Baxter]

I've owned just two TC Hawken rifles, a .45 and a .50. I liked them well-enough; never was a really good marksman and by the time that I retired and could devote the time and energy to become a decent shot, a permanent neurological disease ended my shooting.
I greatly enjoy your videos and envy you your shooting skill(s), Idaholewis. Love the sound of the gong ringing
By the way, What is "QLA"?

 

[Loyalist Dave]

I will go on to say that I would not give a flying fig if after 10 shots I never hit the gong but if I got close to it off hand I would call it good.

From a bench I have hit a 200 yard gong, several times with a patched round ball. It was fun to watch my son's telescopic video as one could see the air change as it dropped to under supersonic. I also tried at 300 yards, and while I scared the gong by being very close...., I didn't hit the gong (Unless kicking up gravel that then hit the gong would be counted as a "hit"... No?... ) I was still surprised that the impacts were so close.

LD

 

[User_Dan]

Here is my 50cal PRB data in Meters.

 

[Dude]

What is "QLA"?

I forget what it stands for, but it's boring out the last half inch of the muzzle. Essentially, removing the lands when it's done right. Evidently TC didn't always get the QLA concentric with the bore which resulted in gasses exiting one side of the projectile before the other, thus 'steering' it off course.

 

[Idaholewis]

I've owned just two TC Hawken rifles, a .45 and a .50. I liked them well-enough; never was a really good marksman and by the time that I retired and could devote the time and energy to become a decent shot, a permanent neurological disease ended my shooting.
I greatly enjoy your videos and envy you your shooting skill(s), Idaholewis. Love the sound of the gong ringing
By the way, What is "QLA"?

QLA Stands for “Quick Load Accurizor” In short (In My opinion, From testing) it was a BAD idea, I have had 2 TC Barrels with QLA and Both were a Nightmare, I couldn’t get rid of them fast enough. I wouldn’t have another one unless I could get it for Scrap metal Price.

TC’s Description of their QLA
Quick Load Accurizor (QLA®), is yet another T/C technology that is standard on all T/C muzzleloaders. QLA makes loading simple and fast. Unlike other muzzleloaders, QLA allows the hunter or shooter to quickly and easily load their muzzleloader by incorporating a false muzzle design into the end of the barrel. In the midst of the hunt, QLA can help save you precious time when loading that second shot.

 

[Dude]

Why not cut off the QLA? That should fix it.