Alternate Hawken options

[Rat]

Nowdays you never know if the product info. is even correct.
Especially when it involves translating languages and converting metric to the American weight system.
That gun seemed to be light for a 28" barrel with a walnut stock.
So I did the Google conversion for the 2.7 Kg. that's listed in the Pedersoli spec's and sure enough, it converts to 5.95 lbs. and not 5.75 lbs. as Pedersoli listed.
That means that Pedersoli fudged the weight by almost 1/4 lb. and it's basically a 6 lb. rifle.

A bunch of rifles have a lowered ramrod holder.
Other light guns often have the same style, or in the case of the Crockett rifle, the ramrod is slightly angled down.
I think that it's done to bypass the wedge, and on hunting half-stocks the holder is often used for a sling swivel mount.
The Deerhunter, the Bobcat, PA Pellet flintlock, and some Pedersoli's use a thick mount for the ramrod ferrule to lower the ramrod.
The ramrod enters the stock straight and not at an angle.
Then the ramrod doesn't need to bend, or be located very close to the muzzle.
That leaves some room for a specialty conical-loading accessory tip if desired that can be left on the ramrod.

Yes, kind of figured they were dodging the wedge or something. Well...six pound rifle...that's still two pounds lighter than my comfort zone. If I get any older, might be what I'll need. But for exploring and map-n-compass bushwhacking, I think what I really need is a Brown Bess "canoe" gun. (yeah yeah I know, let's not argue about the term "canoe gun". !!!!!)

 

[BlackHillsBob]

amen, amen, amen.enough said.

 

[Howie1968]

Hello everyone
I've been viewing this forum for a long time finally decided to join today with this question.

I have a Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Hawken in 54 caliber. It has a 34 inch barrel and weighs roughly 10 lb. It shoots the Hornady Great Plains conical bullets extremely well as well as round ball. I carried it through the mountains of Colorado last year and was successful in taking a nice mule deer buck. I love the gun but it's just getting to be too much to carry around in elk country. I bought the gun out of the Bargain Cave at Cabela's for a very reasonable price. I don't regret buying it just trying to figure out and alternative that will be more practical catrying through the mountains. I've contacted pedersoli on getting the 30 inch Missouri River barrel for the gun but that will cost me $600 for the barrel and is only available in 50 caliber or 45 caliber.
I've looked at the Lyman Great Plains Hunter that has the 32 inch barrel and I would be able to stay with the 54 caliber that way as well. 2 inch shorter may not sound like a lot but I'm curious as to what are there options I have out there? I have a couple of TC Hawkens that are much nicer to carry but I just don't have the same desire to hunt with them.
I'm not adamantly opposed to taking my Pedersoli Hawken back out there again the weight isn't necessarily its downfall just the length is a bit of an issue moving through some of the thick blow downs and Timber.
Thanks for any advice I appreciate it!

The Lyman deerstalker. its light easy to carry and mine is accurate. I fitted mine with a 57sml rear sight I shoot 535 grain no excuses the 425 Hornady great plains (Hornady no longer makes the great plains bullet so I have about 30 boxes saved up) and the tc 430 maxiball it shoots a 530 gr round bal with a .015 patch decent

 

[Howie1968]

As stated previously, grab a used TC Renegade in .54. It has a 1:48 twist and 26” bbl. Shoot the conicals and carry it all day up them hills. Wont break the bank and you can “make it your own” with any custom work you desire.
Walk

I have a .54 renegade I carry my lyman deerstalker 54 a lot more its about 2 lbs lighter

 

[BlackHillsBob]

not every one had long barreled rifles in the old days. up in northern minn at a resort i was at a few years ago was a side lock 40 cal rifle with about a 25 to 26 inch barrel. made in the 1840s and looked like new. cherry wood stock and a half stock. the barrel had the most beautiful rust brown on it i ever saw. metal to wood fit was perfect. a french fur trapper owned it and it was always well taken care of. saw many shorter barreled ones in a museum in dead wood s.dak. before the gambling took over that town. their were none from any school, they were guns brought their by those who looked for gold. i like long barrels, some like them short. they all shoot well if loaded well.

 

[BlackHillsBob]

i dont shoot from a bench when i hunt. have you taken deer and antelope at 200 yards? another strong index finger who cant keep it quiet.

 

[Grenadier1758]

Yes, kind of figured they were dodging the wedge or something. Well...six pound rifle...that's still two pounds lighter than my comfort zone. If I get any older, might be what I'll need. But for exploring and map-n-compass bushwhacking, I think what I really need is a Brown Bess "canoe" gun. (yeah yeah I know, let's not argue about the term "canoe gun". !!!!!)

Call it a "Blanket Gun" to be hidden under a blanket or a "Buffalo Runner's Gun" and you will be just fine.

 

[Rat]

I always thought that "Tee-Pee" gun, or "Cabin Gun", would be a good term for such a weapon.

 

[F.G. Ford]

Hi,
Shop around for a Thompson Center New Englander, it was made in .50, .54 and 20 gauge
It is light, get all three barrels, and you will have the best of all in a light and quick gun.
Fred

Hello again,
In the classified ads, there is such an offering for sale.
A Thompson Center New Englander 12 gauge and a ..54 cal. barrel.
This is a great combination and a fair price.
I have nothing to do with the sale, but have previously owned such a combination. It was great.
For a one gun man, this is the deal.
It won't last long.
Fred

 

[brazosland]

Has anyone asked Hoyt if he will cut a 15/16” GPR barrel to .58?

This topic has me considering shortening and opening up my .50...

 

[SDSmlf]

Has anyone asked Hoyt if he will cut a 15/16” GPR barrel to .58

Call Bobby and ask, although I doubt he will. When I talked to him about rebore options, he said a 1” wide barrel could go to 58 rifled or a 60 smooth bore, depending on depth of screw holes and dovetails already cut in the barrel.

 

[omark]

I shoot a 1in 62 caliber rifle Hawken

 

[SDSmlf]

I shoot a 1in 62 caliber rifle Hawken

Who made the barrel?

 

[Tanglefoot]

I've been following this thread with a great deal of interest.The most cumbersome of the original Hawkens that I've personally examined was a .32 caliber on a 1-1/4 octagon barrel 36 inches long. That gun was truly stout !
My own favorite percussion rifle is a J&S Hawken replica .54 caliber on a 1-inch octagon barrel 34 inches long, and my ol' rocklock is a copy of a Wolf Haga Pennsylvania rifle circa 1750's. It's a .50 (the original was actually a .51, as I recall) on a 1-inch octagon 42 inches long. Both are heavy, but they balance well and shoot center. I guess I just don't understand the desire for a featherweight muzzleloading rifle. Building a 6-1/2 pound .58 caliber with a short barrel seems like a recipe for broken shoulders and burnt eyebrows. Educate me, please?

 

[MDHunter]

I since 1st posting this thread have bought a Great Plains Hunter. The barrel is only 2 inches shorter than the pedersoli but if it still seems too lengthy for carry in heavy cover I will shorten it to 30. I really wanted to leave the Rocky Mountain as it was because it was such nice shooting gun and will be my round ball gun at home for whitetail. Thank you to all those who have replied. Lots of advice and information here!

 

[Sixgun_Symphony]

Check the used gun market for a White Mountain Carbine made by T/C Arms.

 

[sgtprovo]

Has anyone ever chopped the stock from a Hawken rifle to eliminate the curl under your arm pit, and squared it off to look like this ?

I'm looking for a capable gunsmith in the SE if possible, I'm in Central FLA near the villages.
Thanks, Paul

 

[Sun City]

Ditch your track shoes....and try sitting!

Surprising what you can see!

 

[Sun City]

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Has anyone ever chopped the stock from a Hawken rifle to eliminate the curl under your arm pit, and squared it off to look like this ?

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I'm looking for a capable gunsmith in the SE if possible, I'm in Central FLA near the villages.
Thanks, Paul

That's a MORTAL SIN....along with scoping a Hawken rifle!!

 

[sgtprovo]

That pic was just an example for discussion purposes only, I guess I'll just leave it up
to the next owner and keep them mounted on the wall for now. I had to ditch my track shoes
a year ago after being hit by a car walking back to my SUV in the Walmart parking lot.
The old gal that hit me was 92 years old, no license, and driving her great granddaughters car,
folks gathered around me, picked my groceries and stole whatever they could, not helping me keep
her there before help arrived. No one got her plate number either.
It's funny in an age of everyone having a cell phone on their hip to get pic for the social media.