Anyone make a small concealable percussion pistol

[nkbj]

What, no double ball loads?

 

[golden sky]

These little guns never worked even back then when they were popular, look around people who carried them are all dead now. Shouldn't need more proof than that.

i don't know what your basing the historical data on? these are back up weapons not to be relied on, in the BP days you probably carried a sabre or dagger in conjunction with your BP pistol. which you had atleast two on your person

 

[nkbj]

i have to look up the laws for this here in California, they just recntly banned ghost guns here so I'm worried these BP firearms might fall under that law

i plan on using BP pistol for coyote/snake deterent when in the wood , not for walking the tough streets of the ghettos. I have a couple semi autos for that. i just dont want to carry a semiauto because our Commy forestry department will not let me open-carry on trails

Aw, now you spoiled their fun.

 

[golden sky]

Carrying something for self-defense means your LIFE may be on the line. Do you really want to stake your LIFE on an anemic BP derringer based on 200 year old technology? Many unmentionables out there that will fill your requirements with much more reliability & lethality. Think about it! I own several BP derringers.
The 31 cal "vest pocket' will not penetrate a pumpkin shell @ 10 feet! The "screw barrel" powder chamber has a limited capacity of about 9 grains & is a powder puff! The Philly is hard to get out of a pocket because of the big hammer & is also anemic. Remember Lincoln got shot in the head at point blank range & he took hours to die. The New Orleans "Ace" is the only one that packs a marginally effective load with 20 grains of powder, a 45 cal ball, & a longer barrel, but it is more suited to boot carry than in a pocket. People used these guns in the past because that's all they had! I enjoy & shoot all my derringers, but in no way would I trust my LIFE to them. Just my two cents.

so the more powerfull pistol would be a something like the traditions pistol kit? would that handle more powder load?

 

[johnfrommd]

i have to look up the laws for this here in California, they just recntly banned ghost guns here so I'm worried these BP firearms might fall under that law

i plan on using BP pistol for coyote/snake deterent when in the wood , not for walking the tough streets of the ghettos. I have a couple semi autos for that. i just dont want to carry a semiauto because our Commy forestry department will not let me open-carry on trails

If you want to carry in the woods, the smallest I recommend is the .36 1861 Colt Sheriff's Model.

Additionally, here is a good read on BP for self defense.
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/cap-ball-revolvers-for-self-defense/247522

 

[SOLANCO]

something I can keep in a pocket for 1 shot?

I'd sooner one of Wingard's tomahawks than a single shot small caliber muzzle loader.

 

[user 48702]

i have to look up the laws for this here in California, they just recntly banned ghost guns here so I'm worried these BP firearms might fall under that law

i plan on using BP pistol for coyote/snake deterent when in the wood , not for walking the tough streets of the ghettos. I have a couple semi autos for that. i just dont want to carry a semiauto because our Commy forestry department will not let me open-carry on trails

So it's against the law for you to open carry on trails, but O.K. to carry a concealed weapon, which is what a BP derringer will be. Or, if you do happen to discharge the derringer, do you not think the forest rangers would not descend on your location like stink on poop?

 

[SOLANCO]

i have to look up the laws for this here in California, they just recntly banned ghost guns here so I'm worried these BP firearms might fall under that law

i plan on using BP pistol for coyote/snake deterent when in the wood , not for walking the tough streets of the ghettos. I have a couple semi autos for that. i just dont want to carry a semiauto because our Commy forestry department will not let me open-carry on trails

Maybe the more important thing to do for your safety, not to mention your sanity, is to move OUT of Cali.
Coyote is almost everywhere. I've found him on the waterfront in Philadelphia. He will avoid a man like the plague if he can at all. What snake are you worried about? Give most any snake the opportunity and he will disappear. I carry for the best reason there is to carry. Two legged creatures that walk upright but are not well socialized.

 

[SOLANCO]

Maybe the more important thing to do for your safety, not to mention your sanity, is to move OUT of Cali.
Coyote is almost everywhere. I've found him on the waterfront in Philadelphia. He will avoid a man like the plague if he can at all. What snake are you worried about? Give most any snake the opportunity and he will disappear. I carry for the best reason there is to carry. Two legged creatures that walk upright but are not well socialized.

A further thought. Where you are talking about might have grizzlies. Absent a hand grenade there is nothing you can carry in your pocket that will be any help at all if you somehow provoke grizz. And I would not promise a hand grenade would do the necessary.

 

[user 48702]

A further thought. Where you are talking about might have grizzlies. Absent a hand grenade there is nothing you can carry in your pocket that will be any help at all if you somehow provoke grizz. And I would not promise a hand grenade would do the necessary.

That's a good one. Wonder if Ol' Griz will allow time for one to strike the fuze with flint n steel?

 

[William Lincoln]

People who live in restrictive jurisdictions, or who seek added safety when a gun might
be misused or stolen add a further layer of safety by using BP guns. Autistics and others
who cannot possess modern guns are best protected with a gun safe. However, for a
multitude of reasons, the gun might be needed outside of the safe and the added
safety layer of Black Powder loading difficulty and firing operation makes a BP pistol
safer than traditional modern pistols. Many states allow prohibited persons or those
who live with prohibited persons to possess a BP gun in the home-castle. Is a BP gun
good defense? Let's say it is adequate. Over a half-million dead in the Civil War attest
that these guns should be respected for defense. "hrfunk" "duelist 1954" and others
have videos on BP for self-defense. These little derringers are valuable because they
make a big bang that can be heard for a mile-alerting citizens and cops. And
experience in history shows derringers are lethal little defenders.

 

[Auldjin]

This is my turn-off boxlock pistol by Turner of Reading.

 

[JCKelly]

These little guns never worked even back then when they were popular, A KNIFE IS ALWATS LOADED.look around people who carried them are all dead now. Shouldn't need more proof than that.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

Maybe the more important thing to do for your safety, not to mention your sanity, is to move OUT of Cali.
Coyote is almost everywhere. I've found him on the waterfront in Philadelphia. He will avoid a man like the plague if he can at all. What snake are you worried about? Give most any snake the opportunity and he will disappear. I carry for the best reason there is to carry. Two legged creatures that walk upright but are not well socialized.

Sewn down

 

[Cpt Flint]

Carrying something for self-defense means your LIFE may be on the line. Do you really want to stake your LIFE on an anemic BP derringer based on 200 year old technology? Many unmentionables out there that will fill your requirements with much more reliability & lethality. Think about it! I own several BP derringers.
The 31 cal "vest pocket' will not penetrate a pumpkin shell @ 10 feet! The "screw barrel" powder chamber has a limited capacity of about 9 grains & is a powder puff! The Philly is hard to get out of a pocket because of the big hammer & is also anemic. Remember Lincoln got shot in the head at point blank range & he took hours to die. The New Orleans "Ace" is the only one that packs a marginally effective load with 20 grains of powder, a 45 cal ball, & a longer barrel, but it is more suited to boot carry than in a pocket. People used these guns in the past because that's all they had! I enjoy & shoot all my derringers, but in no way would I trust my LIFE to them. Just my two cents.

I refer only to your comment that the Philadelphia Deringer is anemic. Compared to a Colt’s Dragoon it is. For it’s size it is not. Anyone who shoots a good high quality .41 with enough 3Fg in it to get the ball up to 680-700 fps will tell you right quick that it is a thundering handful that is a serious little pistol.
I guarantee you that all 1600+ people in Ford’s theatre knew when it went off. It rendered Lincoln unconscious instantly and did its gruesome job exactly as intended. In no way, shape, manner or form would anyone in this day and age carry one by choice. I simply state that in it’s day (1850-1870) there was a place for it. Note that Wilkes Booth carried a large sheath knife as a backup weapon and used it to cut his way out of the theater.

 

[Cpt Flint]

ALWATS?!

 

[Cpt Flint]

ALWATS ??

 

[user 48702]

ALWATS ??

Do you stutter?

 

[2 shots]

enter.......... wild bill

 

[user 48702]

enter.......... wild bill