bankrobber
32 Cal
But he faces no 922(g) nor 924(c) firearms charges. Because he was not in possession of a "firearm".
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bankrobber
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Not a firearm
bankrobber
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I bet it doesn't matter. But I find it interesting that he doesn't face anything different from carrying a bag of peanut butter sandwiches as a weapon.
bankrobber
32 Cal
I bought my New army .44 at the advice of Florida law enforcement, without even asking for my name. Let alone ID verification
bankrobber
32 Cal
It's not uncommon for those who have been "previously convicted of a Felony" to continue to be mislabeled as a "convicted felon" for life. Whereas a "convicted felon is someone who is currently under sentence for a felony conviction". Once you complete the terms and conditions of any imposed sentence, you become a citizen again.
At no point in time, nor under any written law, have I ever been sentenced to a term of life for any previous felony conviction.
Another misunderstanding about legal terms is "Felon in possession" and "fleeing felon". Neither of which requires a previous conviction. All you need to do is be "in the commission of a felony" to be a felon. That is the legal truth of the term.
Anyone commenting a felony is a felon. Anyone serving a sentence for a felony is a convicted felon.
Your beginning to see the reality of this in the overturned cases of felony firearms charges in the supreme court.
2nd amendment is untouchable and lately the courts have pushed back on these untouched loose uses of legal language.
Remember that Wyatt Earp was released and handed his guns back, after his murder conviction l.
bankrobber
32 Cal
They have a nice clean spot waiting for him in Beaumont Tx. 7-10 years of beef heart and soy grit
Years ago in NJ you could buy BP revolvers without a FFL dealer being involved. Then the motorcycle gangs started shooting each other with BP revolvers and things changed. After those incidents the laws changed - now you have to go to the local police and get a signed form to buy any BP gun as you would with any modern firearm, and it will be registered.
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don't know about all states, but where I live a C&B revolver is not considered a firearm, but it is considered to be a deadly weapon. So, firearm or not it would be armed robbery.
Yes where I policed for 35 years, a person would not be charged with a handgun crime. They would be charged with Robbery with a Dangerous and Deadly Device. Same penalty as using a modern handgun.
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I don't disagree with any of that. Nor do I disagree that a permanent suspension of rights for any citizen is something our Constitution allows, or government should be allowed to do in perpetuity from a purely legal perspective. The idea of "paying your debt to society" and returning a citizen is a valid one. That said, this moral and legal theory has smashed against reality.
The laws have evolved the way they have because both jail and prison are not a deterrent to the 50% of our prison population that is caught reoffending and returns to prison. It's just a fact that a small percentage of the population is committing all the crimes, and we've seen what happens when a progressive prosecutor seeks to avoid sending the guilty into incarceration and allows these criminals to run loose. Crime skyrockets.
Immediate, public execution, public humiliation, public corporal punishments, and the like went away in the early 1800s. I think there is evidence in Asian countries where these practices persist that they do have an impact on crime, but at this point they've been gone so long they would be universally rejected as cruel and unusual. Progressives want to lower incarceration, but there isn't an alternative, so they just promote crime, because there's a consensus that locking people up is not cruel or unusual and is the most humane (although most costly) alternative. They have no argument, so they fall back on the fallacy of disparate impact as if criminal cases were adjudicated other than on a case by case basis. Really poor logic resting on a false premise.
Criminals are narcissistic personalities who don't empathize or think about their victims and they don't believe they're going to get caught, period. Since half of them will continue committing serious crimes after being punished with incarceration it is easy to see why so many states deny them the right to weapons. They get them anyway, and it is one of the most pled down charges in the criminal justice system.
I disagree with it on a theoretical level, but practically it makes too much sense to ignore it. It's very complicated and the sets of data to consider are quite large. It's not something that should be considered based on case studies, as it effects everyone living in the country. Our justice system is an always will be imperfect. There will always be tension between the ideal and the reality.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
As our society has become more secular, less moral, and less cohesive the idea of universal liberty becomes more and more of an ideal and less and less of a practical reality. If you are one of those libertarians who argues for absolute liberty absent the prerequisite culture and moral norms that make it possible I put you in the same ideological category as communists who dismiss the very same things in favor of treating everyone like an insect. Just as socialism only woks when everyone is the same in-fact, so too does liberty only work upon the foundations of civil society. The stronger that civil society the more liberty is possible. The weaker the more authoritarianism is required to maintain order. It's a balance and a dance because we are fallen creatures living in a fallen world, and if you don't believe that you are part of the problem.
I'll add that the same concept is the central fallacy of "Spreading Democracy" under the Pax Americana. Some people who may need to be liberated are also wholly unsuited to liberty and self governance, because while prejudice over what people look like is the height of stupidity, judging them based on their cultural and values is essential discernment.
Brokennock
Cannon
Have we managed to save this heinous 2022 crime here on the supersleuth forum? 
If it's an FDIC bank, with a FA, that's 40 years Fed time. Chubby fella who likes to play dress up, they're gonna love him in USPS Beaumont.
Sure I will buy your pistol...can you throw in the Amish face kit on the cuff?
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