Some say they are not happy unless they get 1 ragged hole at 100. I would guess off a rest? Any way, I am not calling them a liar, but would like to see it. I have been around some very good offhand shooters, and no way would they be able to keep all shots touching at even 50 yards. I might get a 1 shot group at 100 off hand if lucky. So, how accurate are you at 50, and 100? Say off a rest. chuck