Best practise on cutting round patches

Muzzleloading Forum

Help Support Muzzleloading Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Dude, Midway is often expensive but I needed a Williams narrow front site base riser for a BLR... The shipping was $5 for like 0.12 ounces or something so I HAD to spend more money for the now "free shipping." What'd I get? An assortment of one each of most of the packs of 100 100% All Cotton Patches from calibers .49 to .69, .005" to .020" thick, for $0.03-$0.04 each just for the heck of it. Note my Olive Oil is "free" -- I give it away and still toss out liters of the stuff every year.

Make them yourself? I don't wear out enough tee-shirts to do that...
 
Yeah, I am getting the picture of how much work is involved in makin' yur own. I have been at it off and on since yesterday, I have about 600 patches, with I figure about a 100 or so left on the cloth. Even though I am using lead as the cutting surface, I have had to sharper the cutter a couple of times, turn up the shaft of the cutter on the lathe so I could get it to sit straight in the chuck. Melt the lead down again in the frying pan, to make a smooth surface again. Have a sore left arm, switched to hitting it with my right. The shaft on the punch is 7/8 so it won't fit in the drill press. I did cut some strips from the edge of the cloth, but now if I used that method I would have to get a patch knife, most sheaths are for right handed folks, I need a left handed one. So how does one carry these strips, wrapped around your head?
It's gratifying makin" your own, but to a point....

:cursing:
 
I carry dry lubed patch strips rolled up and in a film can or small pill bottle. Some place in a belt loop, some tie on a possibles bag. Its a personal thing. I believe it the best, your patches will always be round and the same size. When not using strips I use only square patches. If bored I have been known to cut round. Not yet ever bored enough to cut daisy's though.
 
garra said:
Yeah, I am getting the picture of how much work is involved in makin' yur own. I have been at it off and on since yesterday, I have about 600 patches,
Yeah, easy enough ain't it? Not even rocket science. Gotta kind of even wonder why ya asked?

I would have to get a patch knife, most sheaths are for right handed folks, I need a left handed one. So how does one carry these strips, wrapped around your head?
It's gratifying makin" your own, but to a point....

:cursing:
Sure, at your age you've adapted well to our right handed world and would probably reach for a belt knife with your right hand anyway.
Ya know(?) Keep telling yourself how good your doing with making round patches,, as you sit watching other shooters walk up too the prize table.
There are experienced shooters here trying to share experienced shooting techniques with you. And if you really watch, I mean really look at what the winning shooters are doing.(?) You will see that the vast majority of them don't need to cut round patches from bulk material.
You know the guy's that are winning,, just watch what they do.

p.s.,, none of them use T-shirts.
 
garra said:
What am I doing wrong?
Cutting round patches! Cut material in strips and cut strips into squares...easier to hold and handle adn work jsut as well...save yourself the hassel! :wink: :thumbsup:
 
Now who in the world doesn't use old underwear!? Heck, I even used to ask the neighbors for theirs -- until the restraining order.

Cotton tee shirts are fine for some patches. And the anti-perspirant/deoderant that doesn't wash out acts as a lube that counteracts the rotten-egg smell.
 
Forget making round patches. Square patches work just as well and are a heck of a lot easier to cut. I bought one of those fabric cutters that have a round cutting wheel and looks a lot like a pizza cutter. Be sure to buy one of the special cutting boards because that cutting wheel is really sharp and will cut through about anything else that you may use for a backer. Just cut strips the width that you want and then cut the strips into squares. They load and shoot just like round patches. :thumbsup:
 
garra said:
Yeah, I am getting the picture of how much work is involved in makin' yur own. I have been at it off and on since yesterday, I have about 600 patches, with I figure about a 100 or so left on the cloth. Even though I am using lead as the cutting surface, I have had to sharper the cutter a couple of times, turn up the shaft of the cutter on the lathe so I could get it to sit straight in the chuck. Melt the lead down again in the frying pan, to make a smooth surface again. Have a sore left arm, switched to hitting it with my right. The shaft on the punch is 7/8 so it won't fit in the drill press. I did cut some strips from the edge of the cloth, but now if I used that method I would have to get a patch knife, most sheaths are for right handed folks, I need a left handed one. So how does one carry these strips, wrapped around your head?
It's gratifying makin" your own, but to a point....

:cursing:


Lotsa words so far for something that is really unnecessary. Lube yer cloth, tear into strips and cut at muzzle. Carry as you wish. In the field I keep a strip tied to my shooting bag strap. On the range my material is in baggie and the strip in use just lays on the bench. Why complexicate a simple thing?
 
It's not the punch, it's not the block underneath. I discovered the "magic" technique by accident.

Cut/rip a strip of cloth a quarter to a half inch wider than your arch punch. Accordion fold about sixteen or twenty layers of cloth so that the pile is roughly square.

I usually use the end grain of a small log as a block, but whatever on that. You just want something that won't bounce.

Hammer the punch through all the layers. All but the last layer will cut cleanly.

I used to try to cut one layer at a time and it was slow and relied on getting a fresh, non-dented surface underneath each time. Now I rip a few strips, accordion fold, hammer a few times, and I'm set for a month.
 
I usually use the end grain of a small log as a block, but whatever on that. You just want something that won't bounce.

Bingo..... :thumbsup:
Having a cutter that mounts in a drill press also takes the work out of it....

Perhaps those that don't like round patches, simply haven't mastered their manufacture... :hmm:
 
Are there a historical references for round vs square vs cut at muzzle patch use ??? Which was the most historical method, or were all three methods used ????

I use octagonal myself - cut square, then cut corners off.
 
When I pick up my cut - at - the - muzzle patches, they are pretty much octagonal :wink:

That idea about folding a strip over and over to 16 or twenty layers is a good one. 'Cept for that part about pounding on them :shocked2: just take a pair of scissors and slide through the center of the folds and cut both folds. Presto! 16/or twenty nice square patches, all without a log, special cutter or hammer. :hatsoff:
 
My admiration for our forebears constantly increases as I find our more about the unimaginable hardships they were forced to endure. Just imagine how hard it was on poor old Daniel Boone, with nothing but a dim campfire or a tallow candle, cutting round patches on his knees with his sheath knife. The horror of it is almost enough to make a person give up researching those days. :wink:

Spence
 
My admiration for our forebears constantly increases as I find our more about the unimaginable hardships they were forced to endure.

Agreed....

But my admiration also increases when I discover their technological advancements....

They were not always the simpletons that many believe.....
 
Cut at the muzzle;
A strip of fabric is cut or torn from the bulk material about a 1 1/2" wide (for 50-54cal) and as long as a shooter desires.
This strip is then treated with what ever lube the shooter uses, then rolled for storage in a container/pouch or pocket or folded up and stuffed in a "patch box".

When ready to use in a charged rifle, it's a simple matter to hold the rifle butt on the ground and near, (elaborating about how to hold a rifle and use your hands at the same time is mute except for idiots,, if they can't do this simple procedure they shouldn't be shooting).
Place the strip across the muzzle, place the ball over the strip, sprue up, now you use a short starter butt end or the flat of a knife blade and slap the ball/patch combo into the muzzle,, the result is the ball is even with or below the muzzle.
The fabric above the muzzle is gathered with one hand,, and a sharp knife is used to cut the fabric at or slightly above the muzzle,, I have seen men cut the fabric up too a 1/2" above the muzzle,, extra fabric above the ball matters not.

These are the resulting patches (after firing) from a "cut at the muzzle" process;

HPIM0779.jpg


Yes the edges are frayed, but they look kind of round huh?
And these are the kind of off hand five shot groups you need to shoot with the big boys at a `vous. I have seen very few of the top shooters using pre-cut round patches;

7f718491-ab31-4edb-b23d-f06d20e7cbd7_zps9c95b50a.jpg

That's a 1" circle by the way,, at 50yrds.

I don't necessarily like or dis-like round patches,, I kind of don't care what or how others shoot. I'm just sayin,, cut at the muzzle is a simple process that saves time and works extremely well.
To each his own,, :v
 
colorado clyde said:
But how do you "cut at the muzzle" guys, explain patch boxes? :hmm:
Maybe the old ones were just like us and some did it one way, some another. Both cutting at the muzzle and precuts are described in primary documents, both are HC.

Spence
 
Dewey3 said:
Are there a historical references for round vs square vs cut at muzzle patch use ??? Which was the most historical method, or were all three methods used ????

I use octagonal myself - cut square, then cut corners off.

There are some early 19th Century period references to patching - the first has the shooter patching the ball with no further description, IMO implying a pre-cut/pre-lubed patch. The second reference clearly mentions lubing a section of a strip of linen patching material by opening the trap (patch box)and greasing the patch with the lube contained in the trap, and then cutting the patch at the muzzle.

Below are two more detailed accounts of loading copied from Audubon's journals.

"Barking off squirrels is delightful sport, and, in my opinion, requires a greater degree of accuracy than any other. I first witnessed this manner of procuring squirrels whilst near the town of Frankfort. The performer was the celebrated Daniel Boone. We walked out together, and followed the rocky margins of the Kentucky River, until we reached a piece of flat land thickly covered with black walnuts, oaks, and hickories. As the general mast was a good one that year, squirrels were seen gamboling on every tree around us. My companion, a stout, hale, and athletic man, dressed in a homespun hunting-shirt, bare-legged and moccasined, carried a long and heavy rifle, which, as he was loading it, he said had proved efficient in all his former undertakings, and which he hoped would not fail on this occasion, as he felt proud to show me his skill. The gun was wiped, the powder measured, the ball patched with six-hundred-thread linen, and the charge sent home with a hickory rod. We moved not a step from the place, for the squirrels were so numerous that it was unnecessary to go after them. Boone pointed to one of these animals which had observed us, and was crouched on a branch about fifty paces distant, and bade me mark well the spot where the ball should hit. He raised his piece gradually, until the bead (that being the name given by the Kentuckians to the sight) of the barrel was brought to a line with the spot which he intended to hit. The whip-like report resounded through the woods and along the hills in repeated echoes. Judge of my surprise, when I perceived that the ball had hit the piece of the bark immediately beneath the squirrel, and shivered it into splinters, the concussion produced by which had killed the animal, and sent it whirling through the air, as if it had been blown up by the explosion of a powder magazine. Boone kept up his firing, and before many hours had elapsed, we had procured as many squirrels as we wished ..."

As related by J.J. Audubon, from Life & Times of Col. Daniel Boone by Cecil B. Harley

The original account in the Audubon journals (Vol. 2, page 460 of 1972 reprint) is the same as above but adds this at the end:

"...for you must know, kind reader, that to load a rifle requires only a moment, and that if it is wiped once after each shot, it will do duty for hours. Since that first interview with our veteran Boone I have seen many other individuals perform the same feat."

On page 492 is the mention of using the feather. Audubon watches his host prepare for a night of raccoon hunting:

"”¦ He blows through his rifle to ascertain that it is clear, examines his flint, and thrusts a feather into the touch-hole. To a leathern bag swung at his side is attached a powder-horn; his sheath-knife is there also; below hangs a narrow strip of homespun linen. He takes from his bag a bullet, pulls with his teeth the wooden stopper from his powder-horn, lays the ball in one hand, and with the other pours the powder upon it until it is just overtopped. Raising the horn to his mouth, he again closes it with the stopper, and restores it to its place. He introduces the powder into the tube; springs the box of his gun, greases the "patch" over with some melted tallow, or damps it; then places it on the honey-combed muzzle of his piece. The bullet is placed on the patch over the bore, and pressed with the handle of the knife, which now trims the edge of the linen. The elastic hickory rod, held with both hands, smoothly pushes the ball to its bed; once, twice, thrice has it rebounded. The rifle leaps as it were into the hunters arms, the feather is drawn from the touch-hole, the powder fills the pan, which is closed. “Now I’m ready,” cries the woodsman”¦.

Here are some 18th Century references to patching. In the first one the implication is the patches were most likely square or perhaps octagon, since they were being cut out like a shirt i.e. using scissors.
Siege of Fort Henry, September 1, 1777.
Recollections of Mrs. Joseph Stagg.
"Women ran bullets in frying pans, and two shot. Mrs. Duke cut bullet patches out of a 700 linen piece, like one cutting out shirts." p. 64.
Thwaites, Reuben Gold, and Kellogg, Louise Phelps, eds.; "Frontier Defense on the Upper Ohio, 1777-1778 Compiled from the Draper Manuscripts in the Library of the Wisconsin Historical Society." Wisconsin Historical Society, Madison, Wisconsin. 1912. At Google Books.

Implies pre-oiled ad pre-cut patches.
Joseph Dodderidge quoting Capt Teter preparing against an attack on his father's fort.
"when you run your bullets, cut off the necks very close, and scrape them, so as to make them a little less, and get patches one hundred finer than those you commonly use, and have them well oiled, for if a rifle happens to he choked in the time of battle, there is one gun and one man lost for the rest of the battle. You will have no time to unbritch a gun and get a plug to drive out a bullet. Have the locks well oiled and your flints sharp, so as not to miss fire." p. 281-82.
Doddridge, Joseph; "Notes on the Settlement and Indian Wars of the Western parts of Virginia and Pennsylvania, from 1763 to 1783, Inclusive." Joel Munsell. Albany, New York. 1876.

As for round patches, there is a plethora of cased pistol and rifle sets by American, British, & French builders that include a round patch cutter.

Bottom line - even based on these few period references that how one patched and with what varied and included the same methods many of the previous answers include as their method.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top