Looking for manufacturer recommendations on a first model, long land Brown Bess with a steel ramrod. I'm not a reinactor, just an admirer, so historical accuracy is not neccessarily 100% required. The India made guns have me leery of quality. Pedersoli's short land gun "might" be a consideration if someone could confirm whether or not they have a patent breech variation (undesired by me, due to fouling/ignition issues).
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THE PEDERSOILI Bess has a normal breech .There are over a dozen pattern types from 1730 to 1809 of Besses . With the Indian ones check out the posts from the guys on this forum, just be aware that the guns available to us internationals may be different to what is available to US residents. The way to describe the Pedersoli is it's a pattern1756 with a 4 "shorter barrel or a pattern 1769 fitted with a pattern 1756 lock . If money is not a worry then TOW has a very nice early pattern for sale . 
Yes I own a Pedersoli please look at some of our posts and topics on these guns .
Yes I own a Pedersoli please look at some of our posts and topics on these guns .the pedersoli bess is nice but it will not meet your "first model, long land Brown Bess with a steel ramrod" requirement. as 1601phill said, its sorta a mash of a couple guns. http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_186_190&products_id=957
india guns from middlesex or Loyalist will tend to come closer to being "correct" but you will end up with "india quality" which could leave you wanting. http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/M1BB.shtml OR http://www.loyalistarms.freeservers.com/longlandmusketoon.htm
if your feeling rich there is the gun currently offered by track that 1601phill is talking about. http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/489/1/AAJ-836
-Matt
india guns from middlesex or Loyalist will tend to come closer to being "correct" but you will end up with "india quality" which could leave you wanting. http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/M1BB.shtml OR http://www.loyalistarms.freeservers.com/longlandmusketoon.htm
if your feeling rich there is the gun currently offered by track that 1601phill is talking about. http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/489/1/AAJ-836
-Matt
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Many Klatch
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Pedersoli's Carbine Bess works well for shooting. I have one and have won several matches with it. It has a traditional breechplug not a "patent" type breech, it throws a good spark and is quite rugged. The only drawback you will find that it has an extremely heavy trigger pull. You will have to get someone who knows what they are doing to lighten the trigger pull if you find it to be objectionable.
The styling of the Bess Carbines was a little more fluid than the full sized Bess, which went through a lot fewer changes. There were many short runs of carbines that looked somewhat similar to the Pedersoli Carbine. If I recall correctly, there is one at the Frazier museum that looks a lot like the Pedersoli Carbine. The biggest drawback to historical authenticity is that almost all British Carbines were 16 gauge not 11 gauge. Thousands of carbines were brought into this country during the Rev War for use by Light Troops, Artillery, Engineers and Cavalry.
I understand that there is a 12 gauge carbine in the museum at Kings Mountain. So it is possible that even the caliber was sometimes (if rarely) up for a change.
Many Klatch
The styling of the Bess Carbines was a little more fluid than the full sized Bess, which went through a lot fewer changes. There were many short runs of carbines that looked somewhat similar to the Pedersoli Carbine. If I recall correctly, there is one at the Frazier museum that looks a lot like the Pedersoli Carbine. The biggest drawback to historical authenticity is that almost all British Carbines were 16 gauge not 11 gauge. Thousands of carbines were brought into this country during the Rev War for use by Light Troops, Artillery, Engineers and Cavalry.
I understand that there is a 12 gauge carbine in the museum at Kings Mountain. So it is possible that even the caliber was sometimes (if rarely) up for a change.
Many Klatch
Ike Godsey
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feyx0006 said:
depending on the model - yes.
the question is, if you're looking for a 46" barrel. do you want a wooden rammer? or do you prefer a steel one?
if you like to use a steel one, you need to go for a 1756 Long Land Pattern.
therefor i would suggest you try a india made musket for a small price and if that is what fits your needs keep it - if you would like to have an upgrade, go with TOW or North Star West and sell the india gun.
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I am like you an admirer of the Long Land. I bought one from Middlesex Valley. I love it. It is throws great spark and is fun to shoot.
I had to buy 2 different sized round ball to find out what would work the best but can still shoot both. Just use a thicker patch.
I had to buy 2 different sized round ball to find out what would work the best but can still shoot both. Just use a thicker patch.
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