Bucket of pistols.

[Pittsburghunter]

I just aquired a bucket full of old flintlock pistols. Most are .69 cal in this style made in Japan. Most have never been fired but have been uncared for for a decade or two.

What style are they? they all seem to function fine and I pulled out a couple to take a pic of them for you guys.

 

[tom hargrove]

looks like the older japanese copys of the british sea service pistole and most were .69cal are these going to be marketed if so put me on the list--------tom :thumbsup:

 

[Many Klatch]

Don't listen to Two-Belly's put me on the list ahead of him. :rotf:

These usually make fun shooters once you rework the inside of the lock. I think I have one just like the one on the bottom.

Many Klatch

 

[Walks Alone]

Like they say, it's all about who you know. Great catch that ought to keep you entertained for hours sorting and cleaning and fixing and shooting (oh yeah, and staving off "friends" who want to share in your good fortune). :winking:

 

[Pittsburghunter]

Here is a better look at the one on the bottom. This is the one with 1941 stamped on the backside of the barrel.

 

[davy]

Not me ... Im in my prime I hate your guts ... so's just to get me outta yor hair ... send me one so's I can put myself outta my misery & yours too! :shocked2: :thumbsup:

Davy

 

[almrl]

Yesterday was my birthday. (Hint, Hint, Hint.)

:winking:

Old Coot

 

[mashaffer]

Cool, Smoothies? Barrel length?

mike

 

[mastrsgt]

Where th h--- do you find this kind of stuff? I would love to be able to find something like that.

Don R

 

[howdydoit]

me too.

 

[Parzifal]

How many did you score?
How amazing that would make for a fun afternoon.

You could really fancy up those things. I think the average I see them go for "dirty condition" is around 180-230$$ EACH on auction arms.....

:applause:

 

[Parzifal]

Pardon me but.....those have the same lock as my trade gun

Do they have japenese barells

 

[walruskid1]

check for tack welded breech plugs. not all the japanese copies had threaded breeches. check the thread on this forum about tower pistol copies with welded plugs. nice score by the way. :hatsoff:

 

[Pittsburghunter]

Well whatever the breech plug configuration I will let future owners worry about that. The bucket has some weird guns in it. One of these things has a barrel that looks like a cannon. Then there is the one with a "pad" screwed onto the frizzen. Some Spanish guns and Yup even one Junker in the mix.

Never seen anything like this. You can't believe what we have found in the collection of guns we are sorting out. However back to the guns I was always told this was a "Queen Ann" style is that right?

 

[Dphar]

I just aquired a bucket full of old flintlock pistols. Most are .69 cal in this style made in Japan. Most have never been fired but have been uncared for for a decade or two.

What style are they? they all seem to function fine and I pulled out a couple to take a pic of them for you guys.

I doubt the Japanese intended them to be shot. Could be wrong I would look them over VERY close and then give them a pretty stiff proof before doing anything other than hanging them on the wall.

Dan

 

[WV_Hillbilly]

I just aquired a bucket full of old flintlock pistols. Most are .69 cal in this style made in Japan. Most have never been fired but have been uncared for for a decade or two.

What style are they? they all seem to function fine and I pulled out a couple to take a pic of them for you guys.

I believe these to be Ultra-Hi "Brown Bess" pistols. They were listed as being .69 caliber smoothbore, but measure approx. .670 at the muzzle.
The right side of the barrel would have the following: BLACK POWDER ONLY ULTRA-HI
The left side of the barrel has: JAPAN XXXX (serial number replacing thoses "X's" after Japan)
The pistol stock has a rakish angle and firing one loaded heavy can flip the wrist pretty hard.

Ultra-Hi made these as kit guns and I recall that this one was 103K There are also some "fowlers" made that had the same heavy double throated hammer locks and were also .670 at the muzzle. Both the pistol and long guns had thick brass front sights, with the long gun having a simple fixed vee-notch rear sight also.

Since these haven't been made for a while, it is difficult to put a true value on them. I seem to remember the pistol kit was $44.95 and that's been 30 years (or more) ago. If they are in decent shape (like the one in the picture), I'd say keep'em. You aren't going to get any spare parts anymore, so having more than one is a big advantage if you intend to shoot them.

Hope that helped some. Load information? It's been too long... BUT FWIW these look like they have welded breech plugs, so I wouldn't load too heavy...

Regards, shoot safely, and HAVE FUN... I'd say you got more potential fun there than a "barrel o' monkeys".
WV_Hillbilly

 

[WRussell]

I was always told this was a "Queen Ann" style is that right?

Not to be picky or anything, but this is as good a place as any for me to whine a little about nomenclature.

The term "Queen Anne pistol" has been applied to anything built in the era of Queen Anne (early 1700's) and anything with a stock roughly in the style that has become associated with "Queen Annes".

It would really help folks like me who look for the things if the term were applied a little more selectively. The "correct" application for the term "Queen Anne" is a pistol (or carbine) with the lockplate made in one piece with the breech.

Like this:

That's the design innovation that sets this weapon apart from the conventional sidelock. The pistol shown by Walks Alone is a sidelock with a truncated stock and turn-off cannon barrel. Another distinctive type (more popular with the French, I believe) that unfortunately doesn't have a catchy name.

Most Queen Annes have the style of stock shown, although some had more conventional stocks, with long-eared butt caps. Also, most Queen Annes had turn off barrels, but some, like the one I posted, have a fixed barrel with a ramrod (they normally were loaded with swan shot).

Queen Anne pistols became popular with the gentry because they were powerful, accurate, you didn't have to worry about the ball jiggling down the barrel (assuming it was the usual turn-off barrel type) on a long trip, and they were pretty. Kinda like rich folks buying a Mercedes when a Yugo would do the job. They were carried by the owners on coaches and on horseback, as opposed to the weapons they bought for their staff to protect them when traveling.

Queen Annes are arguably one of the prettiest flintlock pistol designs and are quite popular, so I think dealers tend to list anything even remotely similar, including box locks, as "Queen Annes" just to get people to look. This of course leads to the term losing its meaning. Grumble gripe whine.

So: Queen Anne means lockplate and trigger plate made in one piece with the breech, left side and top open, so the stock runs up to the breech there. That's the unique and distinguishing feature.

And anybody can call anything whatever they darn well please - it's a free country. Not trying to be the terminology police here --- well, maybe I am :winking:

 

[WRussell]

More pictures, please! :applause:

 

[Pittsburghunter]

Yes, more pictures indeed coming tomorrow or tomorrow night. All of these except the one in the white shown here do not have the "Black powder only" stamp and on the backside of the barrel are only stamped Japan and a serial number. Those have locks with a crown and GR under it. One has an Eagle on it instead of the crown. I have six total of this model. These could outfit a whole crew :winking:

Just one has a rusty bore the rest took just a couple of patches to clean up.

These locks are really strong almost like the intent when they were origionally made was they used one lock for both the pistols and rifles. Makes sense from a military stand point less spare parts to carry.

I am now told the model is a "Tower Pistol".

 

[Pittsburghunter]

I doubt the Japanese intended them to be shot. Could be wrong I would look them over VERY close and then give them a pretty stiff proof before doing anything other than hanging them on the wall.

Dan

I don't think you are right on this point the things are made way to rugged to not function. That one in the white with that little piece of flint sparks as well as my Renegade. No kidding...