Build it the way you liked, it's your gun.
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Hey! I resemble that remark! Besides, if it means I'm middle aged, then I'm gonna live to be 125 years old.
That ought to give me time to finish my Ferguson rifle. It's a beauty. I did make a couple of small changes though. All the metal parts are either stainless steel or titanium. The stock is a space age polymer with a camouflage finish and is a thumbhole design. The laser sights are gorgeous--they fill me with delight! Like the song says, I did it my way. And I will carry it with pride wherever I go. I'm a little worried about juried events, but once I explain that if the old timers had had a gun like this they would have used it, I'm sure they'll let me in. Wait 'til they get a load of my double knit polyester hunting shirt! Hey, if they'da had 'em they'da........
That ought to give me time to finish my Ferguson rifle. It's a beauty. I did make a couple of small changes though. All the metal parts are either stainless steel or titanium. The stock is a space age polymer with a camouflage finish and is a thumbhole design. The laser sights are gorgeous--they fill me with delight! Like the song says, I did it my way. And I will carry it with pride wherever I go. I'm a little worried about juried events, but once I explain that if the old timers had had a gun like this they would have used it, I'm sure they'll let me in. Wait 'til they get a load of my double knit polyester hunting shirt! Hey, if they'da had 'em they'da........
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:haha: "I don't care who ya are, thats funee right there". :rotf:
"It's been interesting to see every one's perception of the people who contribute to the board."
As always a diverse crossection of ML folks, I would dare to say one could pretty much put two columns, one for PC oriented, one for those who don't care for or even like the PC concept and the replies to this post could easily be used to put the poster in the correct column, neither being better or worse just different.
As always a diverse crossection of ML folks, I would dare to say one could pretty much put two columns, one for PC oriented, one for those who don't care for or even like the PC concept and the replies to this post could easily be used to put the poster in the correct column, neither being better or worse just different.
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Hey! I was grumpy and set in my ways LONG before middle age! :haha:Roy said:
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Russ,
What's the twist rate gonna be on that baby. Let us know which brand of sabot it likes. :rotf:
Jay Taylor
What's the twist rate gonna be on that baby. Let us know which brand of sabot it likes. :rotf:
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The twist is going to start out as a 1-in 66" right hand twist and half way down switch to a 1-in 10" left hand twist. I'm going to use a .54 caliber round ball in a .69 caliber sabot. That way I can build it my way but still please everyone. :hatsoff: I'm so proud of my self I'm nearly bursting. And it's PC, it really is. Really. Honest. :blah:
" There are those who want to write a stinkin' brief everytime they answer a stinkin' question"
Hey Cooner, I have read some of those before I put them on ignore...seemed top start with a word and finish the same with nothing much in between..
Hey Cooner, I have read some of those before I put them on ignore...seemed top start with a word and finish the same with nothing much in between..
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Yeah, some of us aren't so middle aged. And what do you mean by grumpy? I ain't grumpy. I am somewhat opinionated and I don't care who knows it, but I ain't grumpy...well, not too grumpy...well, not always. :blah: :rotf:
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when I built my second son's gun I had several obstacles to surmount. He's left handed, right eyed, hates flint and, at the time, 7 years old.
I bought a very old and very warped maple stock board...not blank...board. It was dirt cheap...like 5$. Would have made two nice full stocks except the warp, 100% curl and multicolored, the leftovers did make some nice pistols.
I used a left handed derringer back action percussion lock, a very old black powder only winchester singleshot 22cal octagon barrel. Because of his afflictions the warped stock sorta bent around him and he could really shoot it. Looked weird but it worked...25 years later I saw one just like it in a book...don't remember where...but it was an antique...both the picture and the book.
My advice is build it like you want...somebody already did it 150 years ago!!!
I bought a very old and very warped maple stock board...not blank...board. It was dirt cheap...like 5$. Would have made two nice full stocks except the warp, 100% curl and multicolored, the leftovers did make some nice pistols.
I used a left handed derringer back action percussion lock, a very old black powder only winchester singleshot 22cal octagon barrel. Because of his afflictions the warped stock sorta bent around him and he could really shoot it. Looked weird but it worked...25 years later I saw one just like it in a book...don't remember where...but it was an antique...both the picture and the book.
My advice is build it like you want...somebody already did it 150 years ago!!!
Imagine Andrew Verner and Jacob Dickert setting in a tavern drinking their rum and talking about building rifles.
Verner: So tell me Jake, what’s the deal with the straight butt stock lines on the rifles you folks build over there in Lancaster County?
Dickert: What do you mean Andy? We build guns to shoot not just hang over the mantel and look pretty and besides a straight butt is more pleasing to the eye. What I want to know is why do you use all that extra brass on the entrance pipe, seems like a waist of good metal to me.
About this time the tavern wench brings more rum, they both hold up their mugs for a refill.
Verner: Come on Jake, the tang on the pipe is an artistic expression and on that same matter the good people in Bucks County would rather look a butt with curves.
At this point they both laugh and clank their mugs together spilling rum on the table and at the same time say “aw what the hell, it’s your rifle build it the you want to”.
Bruce Everhart
Verner: So tell me Jake, what’s the deal with the straight butt stock lines on the rifles you folks build over there in Lancaster County?
Dickert: What do you mean Andy? We build guns to shoot not just hang over the mantel and look pretty and besides a straight butt is more pleasing to the eye. What I want to know is why do you use all that extra brass on the entrance pipe, seems like a waist of good metal to me.
About this time the tavern wench brings more rum, they both hold up their mugs for a refill.
Verner: Come on Jake, the tang on the pipe is an artistic expression and on that same matter the good people in Bucks County would rather look a butt with curves.
At this point they both laugh and clank their mugs together spilling rum on the table and at the same time say “aw what the hell, it’s your rifle build it the you want to”.
Bruce Everhart
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And both of their rifles would be HC/PC which is how this all got started.
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Longsmoke said:
Id rather look at a butt with curves too.
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I'll second that emotion! :thumbsup:
Your right Russ. So, what’s the difference between them old boys and us? They aren’t building copies of our rifles. If they where, they would be asking for information about how we build them. And the answer “build it the way you what to” would most likely offend them because that’s an answer to a different question.
Tg is only bringing up a good point and I’ll stand with him and a bunch of others. I’ve seen his response to questions and it seems to me that he has done his research and is trying to answer the question that was ask.
I have ask about historical details on long guns and got the same answer. It didn’t help, I know I can build it the way I want to but, I want to build it the way someone else did. If I wanted my way I wouldn’t have ask for others opinions.
Short of spending a few hundred more dollars on books we don’t have that might or might not answer our questions we post them here.
Bruce Everhart
Tg is only bringing up a good point and I’ll stand with him and a bunch of others. I’ve seen his response to questions and it seems to me that he has done his research and is trying to answer the question that was ask.
I have ask about historical details on long guns and got the same answer. It didn’t help, I know I can build it the way I want to but, I want to build it the way someone else did. If I wanted my way I wouldn’t have ask for others opinions.
Short of spending a few hundred more dollars on books we don’t have that might or might not answer our questions we post them here.
Bruce Everhart
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Not to confuse this issue any more, but the above statement surely does. Am I on the wrong forum by having and asking questions about a percussion gun?Stophel said:
tg, et al,
Some folks just don't get it. Some simply don't understand, and some simply don't want to get it and the last few replies about doing it your way are a perfect example of that.
"The old timers did it their way, why can't we?"
Well, the old timers made guns to certain styles and parameters learned from their masters. Those masters learned from their master's masters, and so on.
The bottom line that the thing all of you "do it your own way" folks don't get is, that there are certain architectural basics of longrifle construction. Those basics change slightly from school to school, but they primarily remain standard throughout.
However, various schools interpret those basics differently, and trying to incorporate varying schools of building into one rifle really looks screwed up. Kinda like a Frankenstein monster in metal and wood. And believe me, I have seen enough Frankenrifles to last a life time.
Good architecture flows gently from one area to another, with no parallel lines and no flat sides.
A properly made buttstock fits the shooter well enough that he doesn't have to scrunch up and contort his body to adapt to poorly thought out and poorly designed LOP and drop. While some adjustment has to be made to any stock, on a well designed and thought out firelock, adjustment is minimal.
While styles did change throughout the years, the same basics remained pretty much unchanged,until the latest years when the "run of the mill" mindset of mid 19th century gunmakers became apparent. Those later gunsmiths apparently didn't take the pride in their work as did the earlier makers did.
And there no mass produced ML rifle, and darned few mass produced smoothbores that duplicate the lines of any original. The architecture is all wrong. Many of these mass produced guns do look kinda frankenriflish, and y'all rave about how great they are. And while some of the better quality rifles are decent guns, the architecture more closely resembles modern cartridge guns made to "fit" the "average" shooter.
If someone wants a run of the mill gun that he has to scrunch down on the stock to shoot, that's fine with me. Shoot it in good health, but don't complain about things you don't understand.
You accomplished gun builders know what I'm trying to say, but the words just don't seem to adequately explain what I'm trying to convey.
So help me out here.
J.D.
Some folks just don't get it. Some simply don't understand, and some simply don't want to get it and the last few replies about doing it your way are a perfect example of that.
"The old timers did it their way, why can't we?"
Well, the old timers made guns to certain styles and parameters learned from their masters. Those masters learned from their master's masters, and so on.
The bottom line that the thing all of you "do it your own way" folks don't get is, that there are certain architectural basics of longrifle construction. Those basics change slightly from school to school, but they primarily remain standard throughout.
However, various schools interpret those basics differently, and trying to incorporate varying schools of building into one rifle really looks screwed up. Kinda like a Frankenstein monster in metal and wood. And believe me, I have seen enough Frankenrifles to last a life time.
Good architecture flows gently from one area to another, with no parallel lines and no flat sides.
A properly made buttstock fits the shooter well enough that he doesn't have to scrunch up and contort his body to adapt to poorly thought out and poorly designed LOP and drop. While some adjustment has to be made to any stock, on a well designed and thought out firelock, adjustment is minimal.
While styles did change throughout the years, the same basics remained pretty much unchanged,until the latest years when the "run of the mill" mindset of mid 19th century gunmakers became apparent. Those later gunsmiths apparently didn't take the pride in their work as did the earlier makers did.
And there no mass produced ML rifle, and darned few mass produced smoothbores that duplicate the lines of any original. The architecture is all wrong. Many of these mass produced guns do look kinda frankenriflish, and y'all rave about how great they are. And while some of the better quality rifles are decent guns, the architecture more closely resembles modern cartridge guns made to "fit" the "average" shooter.
If someone wants a run of the mill gun that he has to scrunch down on the stock to shoot, that's fine with me. Shoot it in good health, but don't complain about things you don't understand.
You accomplished gun builders know what I'm trying to say, but the words just don't seem to adequately explain what I'm trying to convey.
So help me out here.
J.D.
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