Well, here's what happened. I went to the gun shop, looked at the Hawken again, And noticed some rust spots, a crack in the stock, and had him remove the nipple and saw that was rust underneath. Told him I thought $400 was a little too high. He said that he marks the prices what he thinks is fair, and he doesn't want to deal with haggling. I didn't want to deal with HIM, and walked away. I have a lead on a .50 caliber Lyman trade rifle that I will look at today at another shop in my area. I talked to the shop owner on the phone, he says it came in pretty new, and he has it marked for $300. Any thoughts?
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Does it feel right, does it fit you when you put it to your shoulder? If so go for it, $300 - $350 is the going rate for nice used GPR's in my neck of the woods and seems to be what they bring on Gunbroker also.
It also doesn't hurt to ask if anytthing came into the shop with the rifle to sweeten the deal, i.e. a range rod, short starter, shooting bag, jags, etc.
It also doesn't hurt to ask if anytthing came into the shop with the rifle to sweeten the deal, i.e. a range rod, short starter, shooting bag, jags, etc.
I'd get that $300.00 GPR, especially if it has not been fired.
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Money rarely talks with consignment sales. I've made counter offers only to be told "I'll have to call the owner" and, of course, the owner is on vacation, etc. I sometimes give a range when consigning a gun so the shop can haggle if it doesn't move as quickly as I thought. Prices usually depend on how much the owner has in it and how much he wants to get out. One shop always had odd prices in dollars and cents. Finally understood he was back calculating the commission and sales tax.
As said, there are quite a few good buys in your price range come up here.
As said, there are quite a few good buys in your price range come up here.
Lots of good advice given.
The $300 Lyman Trade Rifle is a bit high even if in unfired condition. $200 - $250 is what an unfired second hand percussion one might bring around here at a gun show. Good chance it would not sell at $200 - $250. Lyman Trade Rifles are nice guns.
Rarely see a T/C Hawken cap lock sell as high as $400 here at gun shows.
If you have pawn shops that stock guns in your area check them out.
Also, highly recommend you check out gun shows if you have them in your area. Table holders and public walking around sometimes have great deals.
Also, it is good to use the ramrod to check the bores for a load or dry ball. I have bought several loaded guns in stores and gun shows.
The $300 Lyman Trade Rifle is a bit high even if in unfired condition. $200 - $250 is what an unfired second hand percussion one might bring around here at a gun show. Good chance it would not sell at $200 - $250. Lyman Trade Rifles are nice guns.
Rarely see a T/C Hawken cap lock sell as high as $400 here at gun shows.
If you have pawn shops that stock guns in your area check them out.
Also, highly recommend you check out gun shows if you have them in your area. Table holders and public walking around sometimes have great deals.
Also, it is good to use the ramrod to check the bores for a load or dry ball. I have bought several loaded guns in stores and gun shows.
I know what you mean there. Sometimes they will give the shop owner a little leeway to drop the price some but not usually much.
I remember one pawn shop in UT that I used to deal with. The owner was rarely there and you could dicker a little but that meant I will have to ask the boss so you'll have to come back in a couple days and see if he says yes. So if you make too low of an offer and he says no then it's make another offer and see you in a couple more days. I don't really like buying stuff like that. When I make up my mind to buy something I don't want to have to wait. The waiting was the bad part but the good part was he would almost always take a reasonable counter offer so I did get a couple good deals.
I remember one pawn shop in UT that I used to deal with. The owner was rarely there and you could dicker a little but that meant I will have to ask the boss so you'll have to come back in a couple days and see if he says yes. So if you make too low of an offer and he says no then it's make another offer and see you in a couple more days. I don't really like buying stuff like that. When I make up my mind to buy something I don't want to have to wait. The waiting was the bad part but the good part was he would almost always take a reasonable counter offer so I did get a couple good deals.
Just put money down on a T/C Hawken .50 at a gun shop near my hometown. Excellent condition for $340. Plus the shop owner told me that the seller is putting the money towards the upkeep of the local cemetery. The cemetary that my grandparents, great-grandparents, other family members and a couple friends are in. So, I'm not too worried about what I spent, almost like I was supposed to get it...
I don't begrudge a pawn shop owner his fair profit but I do know that when someone comes into their shop with a nice used sidelock muzzleloader the first things out of the owners mouth will be,
"Those guns aren't worth much. The last one I had I nearly had to give away just to get it out of my store!
I'll give you $60 for it but that's the best I can do."
Then when someone comes in looking for a nice used sidelock the same owner will say,
"These old guns are getting rare. Take this one for instance. I had to pay way more than it was worth just to buy it. I can't tell you how much I payed but it was really more than I could afford.
I like you so I'll tell you what.
I'll let you have it for just a few bucks more than I paid.
I'm asking only $500 for it.
I can tell by the look on your face your surprised to get a price as reasonable as that! :grin:
I know I really shouldn't, but for you, I'll let you have it for only $450! That's my bottom price."
"Those guns aren't worth much. The last one I had I nearly had to give away just to get it out of my store!
I'll give you $60 for it but that's the best I can do."
Then when someone comes in looking for a nice used sidelock the same owner will say,
"These old guns are getting rare. Take this one for instance. I had to pay way more than it was worth just to buy it. I can't tell you how much I payed but it was really more than I could afford.
I like you so I'll tell you what.
I'll let you have it for just a few bucks more than I paid.
I'm asking only $500 for it.
I can tell by the look on your face your surprised to get a price as reasonable as that! :grin:
I know I really shouldn't, but for you, I'll let you have it for only $450! That's my bottom price."
Renegade Dan
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Make sure ya send some pics of your new gun.
That seems to be the trend but there are a few honest dealers out there that don't try to B.S. you.
That does seem like it was meant for you, glad you found it.
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If you find you like your gun and want another, do hit up a gun show. Muzzle loaders where I live are priced two ways - over priced or dirt cheap. I passed on a super clean Renegade I believe was .54 and had double set triggers. Asking price of $200. Bet I could have walked that one out the door at closing time for $150 - $175. So many folks at these shows aren't looking for BP guns and, if they are, more likely an inline. I've steered guys to good buys on side locks over those things.
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