Ky. says ML's are Firearms. So i did not know that, good to learn & not be ignorant. I guess they could require to be shipped by a FFL holder if State says so.
Can anyone supply a list of states where a BP gun must go to an FFL holder?
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stephenprops1
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I have learned to not go by what someone says they have heard. An earlier post advised to learn the law of where you want the gun shipped and go from there.
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Illinois is guilty. FFL required for anything over 750fps including all muzzleloaders and most BB guns.
On another note, I have a 1869 Army with shoulder stock, is this covered under the new Pistol Brace law ?
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It surprises people to learn that California doesn't regulate black powder guns. One of the reasons I drifted back into BP shooting was that everything I use can be sent right to my house. So far this year I bought three revolvers, two rifles and three single shot pistols and they all came in the mail. Powder came via UPS but they left that on my doorstep. Same story with airguns, despite the fact I have an airgun more powerful than the Glock I carry at work, and my Walker outperforms both of them.
If you read the NY law from Sept 2021, it still defines an unloaded muzzleloading pistol as an antique muzzleloading long guns appear to be firearms now. But... The local gun shop still says no FFL needed.
As someone pointed out, the people who write our laws don't know anything about the subject. Too many lawyers in politics writing laws that the average person can't decipher. That is intentional as far as I'm concerned.
As someone pointed out, the people who write our laws don't know anything about the subject. Too many lawyers in politics writing laws that the average person can't decipher. That is intentional as far as I'm concerned.
The only one I know for sure is New Jersey. I did a Google search and couldn't find anything definitive.
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New Jersey has a new law that outlaws any gun, BB guns, muzzleloaders included, unless the gun bears a serial number that has been imprinted by a federally licensed firearms manufacturer. It’s a far reaching law that will probably be challenged I’d it hasn’t been already.
Wow, I was going by a transaction from a few years back where they had to ship a ML pistol to my local FFL.
Thanks!
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64Springer
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Serious question or mocking the ATF?
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Hatchet-Jack
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Where did you read that? I've shipped and received several in Ky and never needed to go through an FFL.
Here’s what in the Muzzle-Loaders.com FAQ:
Which states will you ship to?
We ship directly to customer's doors throughout the United States, except for customers in New Jersey, Illinois, Washington D.C. & New York City, as well as all pistol orders within New York State and Massachusetts. In these jurisdictions, the law requires muzzleloaders to be shipped to a licensed FFL dealer, which we are happy to help arrange for your convenience. As a disclaimer, please check your local ordinances and statutes to ensure compliance with all laws.Do the guns need to be shipped to an FFL dealer?
In most states, we ship straight to your door! No FFL is required. However, certain muzzleloaders like the Remington 700 and Traditions NitroFire require a 4473 form and must be shipped to an FFL dealer.snakedoctor690
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Please do some research before posting to this type of question. I live in southern California and in the last year have had 2 revolvers from Muzzleloaders.com shipped to my house also in the last year another revolver shipped from Midway to my house. Have also had 2 revolvers from this forum shipped to my house with no problems. California may be run by a bunch of morons but not all of us are the same. Black Powder firearms are not considered firearms in the state of California, so at least they got something right. So please stop adding to the confusion and posting things that are not accurate. Do your research
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I had an 1862 Dance from Midway show up literally today
Springer, yes, this is a serious question. also I mistyped, it's a 1860 Pietta Army
The new term being passed around it short rifle
The new term being passed around it short rifle
It's right here in my Hunting regulations booklet. It does not say you have to use a FFL holder. It says ML's are Firearms ! So i said the State of Ky. could make us use a FFL holder if they wanted to.
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Who knows with the ATF, but muzzleloaders are not considered firearms and do not fall under the NFA . This is why you can order a blunderbuss "carbine" with a 12" barrel with no restrictions. State and local laws very so keep that in mind.
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BP handguns in MI have to go through an FFL. At present, BP long guns can ship to you direct. HOWEVER, House Act 4138 that $h1tmer recently signed will require among other things, a purchase permit for both handguns AND long guns. Further, this new law, when it takes effect defines firearm as
"“Firearm” means any weapon which will, is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by action of an explosive." so any BP gun, which are currently not a firearm by Federal and State law, will be subject to FFL transfer.
Even more....A red Flag law has passed which will allow "former dating partners" to initiate a Red Flag firearm seizure along with the usual suspects (LEO's, Medical Professionals, family, spouse,etc...) so be careful how you break up with your current dating partner!! AND-- the 3 arms of Michigan government being now controlled by Democrats have announced their next attack being configured to throw at gun owners is to ban BB Guns to those under 12 years of age and ban a.....t weapons -- whatever the heck those are
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