No, it was just and advert on their website.
Canoe gun.
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Andy52 give it a go if you want. Making the butt
plate, trigger guard isn't to hard or the triggers.
Ram rod thimbles are a little more challenging because of the ribs in them. But if you get Rays kit all that is there.. Plus we're all here to help you..
plate, trigger guard isn't to hard or the triggers.
Ram rod thimbles are a little more challenging because of the ribs in them. But if you get Rays kit all that is there.. Plus we're all here to help you..
Thank you sir.
I think that rick1964 had one for sale at the Fort de Chartres winter vous, he might still have it unless it was a blunderbuss,(can't remember) if I am not mistaken.
I'll check it out thanks.
Fitzhugh Williams
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I think the father of the canoe gun was Jackie Brown. He made a lot of them. I haven't heard anything about him in a long while.
I bought a blanket gun kit from Pecatonica River in .68. and have been most please.
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longcruise
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I think you are right on. Don't know how I was thinking chambers.
My friend Tamara was considering the blanket gun or canoe gun and I advised against using a Brown Bess (BB) to make a blanket gun.
The most important point is that it would NOT be historically correct. I am sure that Tamara would not be happy with a gun at any events she attended unless it was historically correct.
At that time in history, the quality of a BB would be of a high quality gun and nobody would want to ruin that kind of weapon. Again, being of high quality, no one would have to shorten the barrel to correct any shooting flaws from a poor quality gun.
Shooting a blanket gun is done with the arm stretched forward as opposed to the tradition butt to shoulder position. Cutting down a BB would make for a much heavier blanket gun and even for me that weight stretched out would quickly become uncomfortable. This would of course be a bigger problem for Tamara.
Historically, a Native with a BB would be very rare. BB’s were given out to some upper status Natives (Chief or Sub-Chief) to help solidify their loyalty to the British and the loyalty of their followers during the War of 1812. Some might have acquired a BB by picking one up from a dead British infantry soldier on the battlefield. However, after the battles, those BB’s tended to be quickly confiscated by the British if the stocks were so engraved with the “B arrow O” British Ordinance mark. In some cases, trade guns would be offered in exchange for the BB. Otherwise, the only guns the Natives typically got were through trade and they were a style called the Northwest Trade Gun (NWTG).
NWTG were made literally to be given away. They were cheaply made and as we say today – no frills. They were basic grade smooth bore and differed from military grade without the same fit and finish.
Shooting quality also sucked. They were intentionally smaller cal. so that any captured stocks of military balls (75 cal.) could not be used. They also had no provision for a bayonet.
The calibre of the NWTG’s were a much smaller bore than the 75 cal. of the BB. NWTG’s tended to be smaller and lighter (less cost to transport for the trader) and tended to be about the 60 cal. range. (Mine is 68 cal.) Some did go as low as 50 cal. and some as high as 68 cal. Having his choice in a trade, a Native would opt for the higher cal. believing he got more power and distance, rather than a lower cal.
The most important point is that it would NOT be historically correct. I am sure that Tamara would not be happy with a gun at any events she attended unless it was historically correct.
At that time in history, the quality of a BB would be of a high quality gun and nobody would want to ruin that kind of weapon. Again, being of high quality, no one would have to shorten the barrel to correct any shooting flaws from a poor quality gun.
Shooting a blanket gun is done with the arm stretched forward as opposed to the tradition butt to shoulder position. Cutting down a BB would make for a much heavier blanket gun and even for me that weight stretched out would quickly become uncomfortable. This would of course be a bigger problem for Tamara.
Historically, a Native with a BB would be very rare. BB’s were given out to some upper status Natives (Chief or Sub-Chief) to help solidify their loyalty to the British and the loyalty of their followers during the War of 1812. Some might have acquired a BB by picking one up from a dead British infantry soldier on the battlefield. However, after the battles, those BB’s tended to be quickly confiscated by the British if the stocks were so engraved with the “B arrow O” British Ordinance mark. In some cases, trade guns would be offered in exchange for the BB. Otherwise, the only guns the Natives typically got were through trade and they were a style called the Northwest Trade Gun (NWTG).
NWTG were made literally to be given away. They were cheaply made and as we say today – no frills. They were basic grade smooth bore and differed from military grade without the same fit and finish.
Shooting quality also sucked. They were intentionally smaller cal. so that any captured stocks of military balls (75 cal.) could not be used. They also had no provision for a bayonet.
The calibre of the NWTG’s were a much smaller bore than the 75 cal. of the BB. NWTG’s tended to be smaller and lighter (less cost to transport for the trader) and tended to be about the 60 cal. range. (Mine is 68 cal.) Some did go as low as 50 cal. and some as high as 68 cal. Having his choice in a trade, a Native would opt for the higher cal. believing he got more power and distance, rather than a lower cal.
I'm not interested in a BB 12 ga is larger than I want.
Ninering62
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My friend ( and fellow member in here & in MML ) just got his Greenhoe canoe out & put to good use.
We've only been fishing in it, but our plans are to take it into WMA land that most ppl can not access to ho hog hunting with our sidelocks. He prefers a sidelock, I prefer modern inlines or smokeless with optics, but I do have a custom .50 1:24 twist percussion sidelock. I got him hooked up with the deal of a lifetime with a custom TC White Mountain Carbine with a .50 1:38 twist & a TC New Englander with a custom .44 1:20 twist. Both are fantastic for a canoe gun. The WMC is perfect for it actually. The Seneca or Cherokee are small, light, and would be excellent options for a canoe gun. I think that I'm going to buy the New Englander just to use as a hog hunting gun & canoe gun for when we go to WMA land where a traditional muzzleloader is required.
A Hawken isn't a bad choice either really & you have multiple caliber choices with it without getting a custom barrel.
Post pics of what you decide on plz.
I have spent a lot of hours fishing the channels in Florida from a canoe, I was stationed at Mayport for several years. The first few times I was out I kept hearing what sounded like hogs grunting in the bullrush. I asked the old guy who let me launch from his property his reply was "Son those ain't hogs they're bull alligators calling"....
Ninering62
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Thats awesome!.
We will be going to Ft White WMA or Watermelon Pond ( when its open ) and to the Lower Suwannee Nat Reserve. I like very close to Osceola Nat Forest, we were just there & at Ft White a few days ago. We are already working on how we are gonna get to where the hogs are & how the heck we are gonna get them in the canoe & get them out of there. Doin that from a canoe & with sidelocks too, I'm looking forward to it. We are takin the canoe to Cedar Key or Shell Mound on Monday to go after some Reds & Speckled Trout, maybe some Sheephead too. My friend just bought a 34 ft lb thrust trolling motor & battery for it last month. We've had 2 really fun trips in it so far. We are just getting started enjoying that canoe, believe me.
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Yeah !!?! That white stuff !! It was some weird present from Canada !/We didnt know what ta do with it so we just stuck our beer in it ... I hate that any Muzzleloader is so expensive for folks . Its crazy to have 2 grand in something yourgonna shoot a couple times a year . Thats five brand new Mossberg pump shotguns ! Crazy ... I love it when folks build their own gun or rifle . Its so cool to hear their story about the build ! It is a long drawn out P.I. T.A. though !! You gotta be prepared for a long drawn out ordeal ... You really dont need a lot of specialized tools as you found out Walt but it can sure seem over whelming so I can see why folks dont do it... Stay on good terms with your neighbor that has a bandsaw though ! Sure helps !! LOL ! Done it that way many times ! Five times youll need to use it in the build process ... Sure love it whenfolks build !! The N.W. trade gun is great just cause many of the parts can be made ,simple design , and that makes it cheaper , easier to make and a bit more personal when done . Many times I didnt have any brass or the money for it so made the buttplate and side plate out of steel I had laying around ... I got a 36" barrel Ken made for me ... I wanna make a N.W. gun with it and make the B.Plate outta iron , just fur ships and giggles ...
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A 36” barrel you say hmmm I got a birthday coming up soon.lol Ya I hear you but some don’t have the time others the skill level to do it .Yeah !!?! That white stuff !! It was some weird present from Canada !/We didnt know what ta do with it so we just stuck our beer in it ... I hate that any Muzzleloader is so expensive for folks . Its crazy to have 2 grand in something yourgonna shoot a couple times a year . Thats five brand new Mossberg pump shotguns ! Crazy ... I love it when folks build their own gun or rifle . Its so cool to hear their story about the build ! It is a long drawn out P.I. T.A. though !! You gotta be prepared for a long drawn out ordeal ... You really dont need a lot of specialized tools as you found out Walt but it can sure seem over whelming so I can see why folks dont do it ... Sure love it when they do !! The N.W. trade gun is great just cause many of the parts can be made ,simple design , and that makes it cheaper , easier to make and a bit more personal when done . Many times I didnt have any brass or the money for it so made the buttplate and side plate out of steel I had laying around ... I got a 36" barrel Ken made for me ... I wanna make a N.W. gun with it and make the B.Plate outta iron , just fur ships and giggles ...
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Skill level ?!?!! Ha! Ain't you seen my work ?! You dont need skill !! Shes ugly but she still kills critters !! LOL !!
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I once had a German musket from Veteran Arms that I simply didn't have need for, so had it cut to a short "canoe gun" size, and put a craft-woven wool sling on it; it sold quickly at the next swap meet I set up at! Took a loss, but that was my fault. Learned some good info from the posts on this, thanks.
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Get a punt gun
Oh yea, that would work well for slipping through the woods stalking a deer.
Andy there's a NWTG on the ALR site right now. Don't know if your interested. Not cheap but there a great gun.
ALR is American Longrifles
ALR is American Longrifles
