Cap lock safety device?

[Naphtali]

In my 2001 Dixie Gun Works catalog a cap lock safety device-and-cap protector Cap-Locker Automatic Cap Protector (NP0790) was available. Is the device, or something comparable, still available?

 

[roundball]

I used these when I had my caplocks”¦called “Kap Kovers””¦not only keep things sealed and dry, but are a safety as well.
It's a Hot Shot nipple with a groove around the base that the rubber O-ring fits into.
Google should locate them.

 

[coloradoclyde]

The same can be achieved by placing a piece of thick leather between the hammer and the cap.

Personally, I dislike the false sense of security that “safeties” give on any weapon.
Too often I have heard the excuse “I thought the safety was on”.
A gun is either loaded or not and should be treated as such, never take a safety for granted.
:2

 

[roundball]

In my 2001 Dixie Gun Works catalog a cap lock safety device-and-cap protector Cap-Locker Automatic Cap Protector (NP0790) was available. Is the device, or something comparable, still available?

Nap, rest assured there's no false sense of security with a Kap Kover.
I used Kap Kovers on 6 caplocks for several years, an excellent product.

And they're far more of an actual solid safety than a loose piece of scrap leather :shake:

 

[Naphtali]

Does a Kap Kover allow hammer to rest atop nipple, cap being protected from [any] impact until hammer is cocked? This hammer-down feature is what interests me. With hammer-cap juxtaposition where cap is physically prevented from leaving its nipple as hammer is physically prevented from touching capped nipple might be intrinsically more convenient for cap lock hunting in lousy weather - that is, hunter can pay more attention to his surroundings and less to whether his rifle has lost its cap.

A leather pad achieves one feature nicely but is twitchy on the other.

I have no idea whether a device functioning as I described will be of benefit. I want to test it, though.

 

[coloradoclyde]

In my 2001 Dixie Gun Works catalog a cap lock safety device-and-cap protector Cap-Locker Automatic Cap Protector (NP0790) was available. Is the device, or something comparable, still available?

Nap, rest assured there's no false sense of security with a Kap Kover.
I used Kap Kovers on 6 caplocks for several years, an excellent product.

And they're far more of an actual solid safety than a loose piece of scrap leather :shake:

Who said anything about it being loose?
use thick leather (thicker than the cap) with a cap sized hole punched in it. fits very snug and will not fire no matter how many times you pull the trigger. attach to trigger guard with a lanyard. cheap if not free and more HC/PC than a 20th-21th century invention.

I guess neither of us really answered his question. :hmm:

But here it is http://www.dixiegunworks.com/produ...=7659&osCsid=57c22dec2688fe229494469554959fe1


OH! and my design works on any nipple and isn't Hot Shot specific.

 

[Rifleman1776]

Personally, I dislike the false sense of security that “safeties” give on any weapon.

Agree. The best safety is between the ears. However, sadly, that space seems to be vacant with some folks.
Whether cap or flint, most hunters carry their rifles at half-cock. Common sense and diligence are the 'safties' for that method.
I know saying this will cause apoplexy and pooping little green apples with some, but some shooters carry their percussion rifles with hammer down and resting on the cap when hunting. I believe this to be a very acceptable practice when used, as with all things, due diligance.

 

[roundball]

Does a Kap Kover allow hammer to rest atop nipple, cap being protected from [any] impact until hammer is cocked? This hammer-down feature is what interests me. With hammer-cap juxtaposition where cap is physically prevented from leaving its nipple as hammer is physically prevented from touching capped nipple might be intrinsically more convenient for cap lock hunting in lousy weather - that is, hunter can pay more attention to his surroundings and less to whether his rifle has lost its cap.

A leather pad achieves one feature nicely but is twitchy on the other.

I have no idea whether a device functioning as I described will be of benefit. I want to test it, though.

Yes, I used mine with the hammer down on top of the Kap Kover...can do it either way...down on the Kap Kover or at normal half cock. The dimensions of the "bell" shaped part are such that it slides down coming to rest on the large shoulder area at the base of the nipple, and the inside stops short of touching the cap itself.
The firm friction fit of the bell sliding down past the rubber O-ring keeps it firmly in place and seals out any moisture, even humidity.
When you want to remove the Kap Kover to fire you just slide it up off of the nipple completely, let go of it because its tethered, and meanwhile the cap stays right in it's place where it was...no contact with the cap at all.

 

[robert reed]

October Country has it. http://www.octobercountry.com/nipple-covers-replacement-nipples-o-rings/

 

[AZbpBurner]

Just more gee-gaws to have to keep track of. By "AUTOMATIC" does that mean it somehow is able to jump up and seat itself on the nipple without shooter intervention, or does it require "Manual" operation?

What would Jedediah Smith, Jim Bridger or even Kit Carson say?

If there was a need, I'll bet these could be found made of horn in the artifacts of the Mountain Men.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Also let’s not forget that when you remove it and take aim that heavy piece of brass will be hanging there dangling and messing with your aim by wiggling the gun.
Not to mention dinging up your stock during the reload.

 

[Naphtali]

Just more gee-gaws to have to keep track of. By "AUTOMATIC" does that mean it somehow is able to jump up and seat itself on the nipple without shooter intervention, or does it require "Manual" operation?

What would Jedediah Smith, Jim Bridger or even Kit Carson say?

If there was a need, I'll bet these could be found made of horn in the artifacts of the Mountain Men.

Among attractions of the device I asked about is it is spring activated - that is, seat phyical protector atop cap and lower hammer. Cock hammer and spring pivots protector 180 degrees. Cap-nipple-hammer function conventionally, as you would expect.

At least that's what photograph and description appear to show. If it does, in fact, function as I describe, device failure would be the physical protector does not pivot itself out of the way. This is not dangerous - merely inconvenient.

 

[coloradoclyde]

What you’re talking about doesn’t make sense.
Are we talking about this? http://www.google.com/patents/US5339553
Or are we talking about this? http://www.dixiegunworks.com/produ...=7659&osCsid=57c22dec2688fe229494469554959fe1
They are not the same thing. But they are both failed inventions.

 

[Naphtali]

Neither of these items is to what I refer. I wish I had the ability to furnish graphic and blurb of the device. If possible, examine the Dixie catalog of the year and the specific item identified by Dixie - that is, 2001 Dixie Gun Works catalog a cap lock safety device-and-cap protector Cap-Locker Automatic Cap Protector (NP0790)

What you’re talking about doesn’t make sense.
Are we talking about this? http://www.google.com/patents/US5339553
Or are we talking about this? http://www.dixiegunworks.com/produ...=7659&osCsid=57c22dec2688fe229494469554959fe1
They are not the same thing. But they are both failed inventions.

 

[roundball]

Nap, I suspect by now you're finding it as incredulous as most members do that the loudest detractors about things like hunting accessories have zero first experience, zero actual first hand knowledge about the product being discussed.
One only has to look at the hunting section to see who gets it done year in and year out while using some of these accessories...and at the same time...conspicuous by their absence...are the loudest "keyboard hunters" who never get it done, never post hunting trips, etc.

The reference to the Kap Kover being a "failed invention" is a perfect example of someone who has zero knowledge and experience. And the "heavy brass banging on the stock" comment is even more ludicrous.
First:
It isn't heavy...and that would be known by anyone who had actually used them;
Second:
It's tethered to the trigger guard...and that would be known by anyone who had actually used them.
Muzzleloader trigger guards are ALREADY DOWN BELOW THE STOCK...plus the rawhide tether drops the Kap Kover even further down, below the trigger guard...so it's impossible for any "banging against the stock" to take place...and that would be known by anyone who had actually used them.
Perfect examples of zero first hand knowledge about the product being discussed...so beware of the "keyboard hunters"...every Forum has a few and the MLF is no different.

Whether or not you decide on the Kap Kover is of no interest to me...just know that for the record it is an excellent, weather proof safety device for caplocks, working exactly as advertised...same concept as using a Hammer Stall safety on a Flintlock.
And I make that statement from personally using them on multiple MLs for several years, during scores of hunts every year...deer, squirrels, doves, crows, etc...not hours on a keyboard.

Repeat: Beware of "keyboard hunters".
:wink:

 

[nhmoose]

All safety devices fail. Including the gun handler. DO NOT place the muzzle in line with anything you do not want destroyed.

You may win in a court for doing this and killing someone but remember YOU WERE THE FAULT.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Nap, I suspect by now you're finding it as incredulous as most members do that the loudest detractors about things like hunting accessories have zero first experience, zero actual first hand knowledge about the product being discussed.
One only has to look at the hunting section to see who gets it done year in and year out while using some of these accessories...and at the same time...conspicuous by their absence...are the loudest "keyboard hunters" who never get it done, never post hunting trips, etc.

The reference to the Kap Kover being a "failed invention" is a perfect example of someone who has zero knowledge and experience. And the "heavy brass banging on the stock" comment is even more ludicrous.
First:
It isn't heavy...and that would be known by anyone who had actually used them;
Second:
It's tethered to the trigger guard...and that would be known by anyone who had actually used them.
Muzzleloader trigger guards are ALREADY DOWN BELOW THE STOCK...plus the rawhide tether drops the Kap Kover even further down, below the trigger guard...so it's impossible for any "banging against the stock" to take place...and that would be known by anyone who had actually used them.
Perfect examples of zero first hand knowledge about the product being discussed...so beware of the "keyboard hunters"...every Forum has a few and the MLF is no different.

Whether or not you decide on the Kap Kover is of no interest to me...just know that for the record it is an excellent, weather proof safety device for caplocks, working exactly as advertised...same concept as using a Hammer Stall safety on a Flintlock.
And I make that statement from personally using them on multiple MLs for several years, during scores of hunts every year...deer, squirrels, doves, crows, etc...not hours on a keyboard

Repeat: Beware of "keyboard hunters"..

:rotf:

Argued will all the sophestry of a car salesman.

"The reference to the Kap Kover being a "failed invention" is evident by several factors, first you can read the" legal events" section of the patent. Second, they are so popular that everyone owns one....NOT! Third, don't take our words for it call Dixie gun works and ask them how many they have sold. One man with an opinion does not a succesful invention make!

"And the "heavy brass banging on the stock" comment is even more ludicrous"

ludicrous is not reading my post where I said

"Not to mention dinging up your stock during the reload."

unless you are going to untie it every time you reload, it could bang against the stock unless you have figured out how to reload horizontally or with an airtight seal on the nipple.
Referring to it a "heavy" was in comparison to a leather cap stall.

"Perfect examples of zero first hand knowledge about the product being discussed"

Guess you missed where he said this.

"Neither of these items is to what I refer".

As for the remark about "keyboard hunters" I went hunting this morning just as I do most days of the year. One of the advantages of not being a city person. Of course I must add that this topic is not hunting specific since it's not posted in the hunting category.

You can use one or not I don't care! but it is my duty to give an opposing view so that you can make an informed decision and hopefully not be victim of marketing, a shiny object or the silver tongue of a salesman.
And to completely discount the rhetoric, I had one years ago and it didn't last very long on my gun.....So! I do have first hand experience. :v

 

[coloradoclyde]

After reading these Quotes:

...so beware of the "keyboard hunters"...every Forum has a few and the MLF is no different.

not hours on a keyboard.

Beware of "keyboard hunters".

I find it interesting and amusing that someone with a post count of more than 22,000 (a count higher than any moderator or administrator and maybe even any other member ) would warn about key board hunters! not to mention the thousands of posts they have on other hunting forums?

Yes it is most perplexing indeed! :hmm: