Caucasian Miquelet "Cossack" Pistol & Locks

[peserey]

Çerkes

 

[Rudyard]

Çerkes

Dear Cerkes. I lit up on seeing that gun & Welcome to the Forum Ime thinking its a Persian style ?? the round form of butt. I have a lock & a Barrel that I believe is Persian so plan to stock them up. 26" barrel that's 66 cms if you use metric smooth bore once buetifuly made Damascus .and am curious to know more regarding the white butt ends & what are they Ivory or Ox bone ? No Elephants in NZ & ivory is definatly out but OX bone can be got . Your Gun ? Rifle looks good and you will find there are many who are interested in such guns I see your in Turkey I did travel in Turkey years ago the stocking style looks Persian If the five sided are thought to be more typical of Turkey I have an old one but made several ones useing old locks & barrels
.Regards Rudyard ' Tesh i cush i dirum '.. I think means' Thank you' ? &' Birak' means flag but that about all I remember of your language ( I was hitch hikeing to India in 1966)

 

[sportster73hp]

Darius at Abe’s Arms has what he called a camel gun. Not sure it is in the same school as these but has the same lock style. Tried to buy it twice. Maybe is all I got . His son plans to make a copy of it to shoot.

 

[cyten]

Çerkes

Welcome to the forum, Hamit! I am familiar with your work building Kindjals and swords and was following the build of the Circassian lock. Did you build this entire gun as well?

Dear Cerkes. I lit up on seeing that gun & Welcome to the Forum Ime thinking its a Persian style ?? the round form of butt. I have a lock & a Barrel that I believe is Persian so plan to stock them up. 26" barrel that's 66 cms if you use metric smooth bore once buetifuly made Damascus .and am curious to know more regarding the white butt ends & what are they Ivory or Ox bone ? No Elephants in NZ & ivory is definatly out but OX bone can be got . Your Gun ? Rifle looks good and you will find there are many who are interested in such guns I see your in Turkey I did travel in Turkey years ago the stocking style looks Persian If the five sided are thought to be more typical of Turkey I have an old one but made several ones useing old locks & barrels
.Regards Rudyard ' Tesh i cush i dirum '.. I think means' Thank you' ? &' Birak' means flag but that about all I remember of your language ( I was hitch hikeing to India in 1966)

Rudyard, the gun Hamit has posted is in the typical Circassian style, which is very similar to Persian style. If I remember correctly, he himself is Circassian and I met quite a bit of them on my last hitchhiking journey through Northern-Turkey. The Circassian guns are very similar to the Persian ones and I have seen a lot of crossover, most Persian guns I've come across had been converted to percussion at some point and finding one in original miquelet form is not the norm.

Darius at Abe’s Arms has what he called a camel gun. Not sure it is in the same school as these but has the same lock style. Tried to buy it twice. Maybe is all I got . His son plans to make a copy of it to shoot.

These are usually referred to as Kabyle and originate from Algeria, hot spot for the Barbary pirates.

 

[Rudyard]

Welcome to the forum, Hamit! I am familiar with your work building Kindjals and swords and was following the build of the Circassian lock. Did you build this entire gun as well?


Rudyard, the gun Hamit has posted is in the typical Circassian style, which is very similar to Persian style. If I remember correctly, he himself is Circassian and I met quite a bit of them on my last hitchhiking journey through Northern-Turkey. The Circassian guns are very similar to the Persian ones and I have seen a lot of crossover, most Persian guns I've come across had been converted to percussion at some point and finding one in original miquelet form is not the norm.


These are usually referred to as Kabyle and originate from Algeria, hot spot for the Barbary pirates.

I've been calling these large mostly Algerian Toe locks a' Mookalla ' rather than a' Kabyle' that I associate with Morocco mostly .And though any sort of gun like their owners could travel anywhere in the Islamic world generally though I think regional styles prevailed . ' Walrus Ivory '& maybe Narwhale spikes makes sense I once bought what my horn scale cutters called ' Sea Elephant ' tusks the surface was hard enough to dull hacksaws but the centers was just like any ivory to carve much like big Whales teeth .Great pool of learning we have here on these forums we are all ' Students of arms' maybe a bit' left field' from most but bring it on.
Regards Rudyard

 

[peserey]

Sevgili Çerkeş. O silahı görünce aydınlandım ve Foruma Hoş Geldiniz Ben onun İran tarzı olduğunu düşünüyorum ?? poponun yuvarlak şekli. Farsça olduğuna inandığım bir kilidim ve bir Fıçım var, bu yüzden onları stoklamayı planlıyorum. 26" namlu, bu da 66 cm'dir, eğer bir zamanlar güzelce yapılmış Şam'dan yapılmış metrik düz bir delik kullanırsanız. Ve beyaz dipçik uçları hakkında daha fazla bilgi edinmek istiyorum ve bunlar Fildişi mi yoksa Öküz kemiği mi? Yeni Zelanda'da Fil yok ve fildişi kesinlikle yok ama ÖKÜZ kemiği olabilir Tüfek güzel görünüyor ve bu tür silahlarla ilgilenen birçok kişi olduğunu göreceksiniz. Türkiye'de görüyorum. Yıllar önce Türkiye'de seyahat ettim. Çorap stili İran'a benziyor. Beş taraflı olanın daha tipik olduğu düşünülüyorsa Türkiye Eski bir tane var ama eski kilitleri ve varilleri kullanarak birkaç tane yaptım
.Saygılarımızla Rudyard 'Tesh i cush i dirum'.. Sanırım 'Teşekkür ederim' anlamına geliyor? &'Birak' bayrak anlamına geliyor ama dilinizle ilgili hatırladığım tek şey bu (1966'da Hindistan'a otostop çekiyordum)

MERHABA,

 

[peserey]

Foruma hoş geldin Hamit! Kindjal ve kılıç yapımı çalışmalarınızı biliyorum ve Çerkes kalesinin yapımını takip ediyordum. Bu silahın tamamını da sen mi yaptın?


Hamit'in astığı silah Rudyard, İran tarzına çok benzeyen tipik Çerkes tarzındadır. Yanlış hatırlamıyorsam kendisi de Çerkes ve Kuzey Türkiye'ye yaptığım son otostop yolculuğumda onlardan pek çoğuyla tanıştım. Çerkes silahları Pers silahlarına çok benziyor ve çok fazla geçiş gördüm, karşılaştığım çoğu Pers silahı bir noktada perküsyona dönüştürülmüştü ve orijinal miquelet formunda bir tane bulmak norm değil.


Bunlar genellikle Kabyle olarak anılır ve Berberi korsanlarının sıcak noktası olan Cezayir'den kaynaklanır.

You are welcome and thank you. Yes, I did this. And yes, I am Circassian too.

 

[peserey]

And here is Circassian Miquelet

 

[TobJohn]

ve işte Çerkes Miquelet

How did you make the lock? Did you forge it?

 

[peserey]

Yaklaşık 1,5 metre boyundaydı, 150 lbs boştu, kutuların arkasına saklanmıştı ama cıvatalanmamıştı.

İlgimi çeken, bu kollar için bir silah aleti/tornavida paylaşacağımı düşündüm. Çoğu zaman kemere bağlanan ayrı bir parçadır ancak bazı durumlarda kemerin bir parçasıdır.

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Yes, these are definitely a type of screwdriver and a miniature hammer used to shape flint. Its Circassian name is "Shte", but unfortunately I do not know its equivalent in other languages. It is also a type of flint lighter used to ignite tinder.

 

[peserey]

How did you make the lock? Did you forge it?

I made the entire thing, including the barrel and lock.

 

[TobJohn]

I made the entire thing, including the barrel and lock.

Awesome work!

 

[peserey]

Awesome work!

Thank you.

And a firing video. About 3 grams of black powder and some napkins to compress, no lead.
I'm very bad at shaping flint so it didn't fire the first time.

 

[Rudyard]

MERHABA,

Dear Peserey I recognized Thank you & Flag but the rest I just got the' jist 'I think .
Regards Rudyard

 

[rickystl]

Hi Hamit !!! Welcome to the Forum. Great job on the shoulder gun and pistol. There are some of us on this Forum that like the Eastern market guns. I have a fairly large collection myself with most in shooting condition. Again, welcome.

Rick

 

[rickystl]

Darius at Abe’s Arms has what he called a camel gun. Not sure it is in the same school as these but has the same lock style. Tried to buy it twice. Maybe is all I got . His son plans to make a copy of it to shoot.View attachment 260044

Should the day come, I have an original stock (in better condition than the one in the photo) that is heavily carved it's entire length. Also one or two working locks, and probably a couple of barrels. JFYI
It would not be difficult to make one of these Algerian styled long guns once you have a working lock.

Rick

 

[peserey]

Hi Hamit !!! Welcome to the Forum. Great job on the shoulder gun and pistol. There are some of us on this Forum that like the Eastern market guns. I have a fairly large collection myself with most in shooting condition. Again, welcome.

Rick

Hi Rick, thank you so much. I'm happy to be here

 

[peserey]

I bought this beauty today, thanks to a friend's advice. I've never owned an original gun before. First of all, I was pleased that the copy I made (I used the photographs as reference) was so close to the original.

The knob part is made of wood and unfortunately the woodworms ate half of it.

Fortunately, there is no such situation in the body. There is a crack but it can be fixed.

The skin covering the body has almost completely peeled off and the lock is currently inert due to rust. Tomorrow I will devote my time to the main restoration work.

 

[TobJohn]

I bought this beauty today, thanks to a friend's advice. I've never owned an original gun before. First of all, I was pleased that the copy I made (I used the photographs as reference) was so close to the original.

The knob part is made of wood and unfortunately the woodworms ate half of it.

Fortunately, there is no such situation in the body. There is a crack but it can be fixed.

The skin covering the body has almost completely peeled off and the lock is currently inert due to rust. Tomorrow I will devote my time to the main restoration work.

Are there museums with Caucasian arms near where you live in Turkey? Your work is incredible, particularly for just using photos. If museums let you examine their collections, I am sure you would make some amazing replicas.

 

[peserey]

Are there museums with Caucasian arms near where you live in Turkey? Your work is incredible, particularly for just using photos. If museums let you examine their collections, I am sure you would make some amazing replicas.

Unfortunately, museums do not allow for viewing. Still I'm doing my best. I previously owned a Caucasian Type rifle and unfortunately had to sell it. However, I took detailed measurements before selling it. Now I have a gun and I will design my work accordingly, but I saw that there were not many changes I needed to make. I just need to make a few small touches.