Interesting...thanks....
Caucasian Miquelet "Cossack" Pistol & Locks
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This is a fascinating discussion! I can only wish some of these works of art could be imported to the US...
bornintheussr
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sometimes interesting species surfacing here and there ....
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1053538808
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Thanks!! I also did a search using "Miquelet" and came up with 12 examples... Some of them were very expensive!
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or if you want something new you can always order Miquelet rifle or pistol from Loyalist Arms in Canada, wait time would be about a year but with the price range of $500-$700 you still way below Miquelets from Rifle Shoppe
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Can you shoot the Miquelets from Loyalist Arms without taking your life in your hands?
There are examples in the USA, they just tend to be very pricey. Have to keep your eyes peeled at auctions, gunbroker prices are astronomical. But our resident Circassian gunsmith @peserey can build you a new one HIS WEBSITE had them listed before
I saw that a few days ago, interesting Spanish lock on what is probably a North African gun.
As soon as I learn how to read the local language... მალე არ მოხდება!
A beautiful gun that was mislabeled as a Moukhala just went for auction in Belgium, was hoping it would go cheap but some other folks must have correctly identified it as it went for more than $2200 including the buyers fees
could possibly be Persian as well
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Wonderful photos in the thread as always. @cyten has quite the enviable journeys and encounters. Also happy to hear that @peserey occasionally builds miquelets, I should get in contact with him again sometime. Even if I were able to find and afford the works of those Caucasian smiths, I don't think I could smuggle them in here.
He is in Ankara as I know
Does that mean that he won’t be able to ship them out of Turkey?
Seemed like he didn’t think there would be a problem when I spoke with him last. @peserey can hopefully answer these questions himself?
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Yes I would ,I know the integrity of that firm the Canada based one Not sure if thats Loyalist or Royalist but its out of Nova Scotia .
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REF: Post #263: Interesting gun. An Algerian stock with a Spanish lock, and (IMO) what appears to be a Moroccan barrel. The multiple barrel bands are also made in Moroccan style. Agree with Cyten, overall, a North African gun. I've seen one other North African gun with a Portuguese lock.
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Yes, Thanks Cyten for the photos and other informative information during your travels. Much appreciated.
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Cyten said: "A beautiful gun that was mislabeled as a Moukhala just went for auction in Belgium, was hoping it would go cheap but some other folks must have correctly identified it as it went for more than $2200 including the buyers fees".
That certainly is a beauty. WOW !!! In that condition, it would likely have gone for more in the States. To me, the decoration on the stock, lock, and even the barrel look Persian. Would take further hands-on study. Especially the barrel. One possibility is that it was built by a Caucus gunsmith for a customer of Persian origin. It's believed by many collectors that the "basic style" of the Caucasian guns originated from Persian designs. I've always believed this. Trouble is, there are so few genuine, all-Persian made guns to study. In the case of this gun, if it could later be determined to be Persian, than the sale price would be considered a steal.
Unfortunately, if that $2,200.00 USD included the buyer's premium, that IMHO would be a very fair price for this gun. Would likely go for $1,000.00 more here in the States. Just never been able to purchase Caucasian made guns, blades, accessories, etc. cheaply.
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That certainly is a beauty. WOW !!! In that condition, it would likely have gone for more in the States. To me, the decoration on the stock, lock, and even the barrel look Persian. Would take further hands-on study. Especially the barrel. One possibility is that it was built by a Caucus gunsmith for a customer of Persian origin. It's believed by many collectors that the "basic style" of the Caucasian guns originated from Persian designs. I've always believed this. Trouble is, there are so few genuine, all-Persian made guns to study. In the case of this gun, if it could later be determined to be Persian, than the sale price would be considered a steal.
Unfortunately, if that $2,200.00 USD included the buyer's premium, that IMHO would be a very fair price for this gun. Would likely go for $1,000.00 more here in the States. Just never been able to purchase Caucasian made guns, blades, accessories, etc. cheaply.
Rick
Very likely could be the case, Iran (Safavid Empire) had control and influence over the Caucasus for a long time
This is an illustration of a Persian soldier circa 1600
I forgot to mention the Khirimis that were on display in the Yerevan museum were used during the Russo-Persian War 1826-28
There was a Khirimi that sold on gunbroker some time ago that had an interesting feature I hadn't seen before. The side plate was also flash hole pick holder.
The barrel is dated 1156, which comes out to 1743-1744 by our calendar
And an interesting wall gun, I dont think I've posted before.
I have only seen one other Khirimi wall gun which was in the Dagestan National Museum in Makhachkela, but it was not as long as this one. Also, funny to me that it has sling slots. Cant imagine carrying this over the shoulder...
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That's the longest barreled Khirimi I've ever seen.
Can’t miss if you are already poking your target with your gun!
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On that theme I've had a long swamped oct barrel, I think Ex Major Corry haul for years its approximately 58 cal no loops at all but clear wide octagonal twist barrel big rude rear sight but no Foresight no evident marks . Well Ide made a large size Matchlock lock years ago in Adelaide .So decide to stock it up as an Elizabethan caliver, pure whim no purpose other. Since it had no loops I made bands that formed hidden flanges these I drilled for loops . The whole affair like it was got up in haste sort of munitions grade thinking . The bore being quite good considering if its great weight rendering it useless to hunt with .needing a rest but serving as a curio & no loss to our study . But mayhap the long barrel Khirimi has some relationship ? just took a photo with a yard stick its 45"long barrel and you can see the bands that formed loops What this does for our study ?No Idea but would seem related so perhaps worthy of mention.
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Cossack fun....
