CCI caps vrs RWS caps

[oldarmy]

It's been a while since I have posted on this forum.
I own 2 old armys and have had nothing but trouble with them for the last few months..
First off OLD ARMYS do not use #10's even thought the owners manual says they do...
I bought the CCI#11's and what happens is I load the revolver, put the caps on it using a straight capper with plenty of pressure.
When I go to shoot, the first hit seems to seat the primer and then the second hit sets it off.
I have tried just about very thing I could think of to fix this.
I bought new nipples, went out and bought new, oringinal Ruger mainsprings.
I was about to sell them both and decided to buy some
RWS caps just to see how they would work and now it goes off on the first hit 90% of them time.
Has any one else had this kind of trouble??
I am wondering if CCI has changed the way they make their caps
any thoughts or advise??

 

[rabjr]

This may help, I ran into a problem with my Ruger 77-50 when I first bought it. I was plagued with missfires and found if I recocked the gun and pulled the trigger, it fired every time. This told me I had a seating problem with the RWS #11 caps I was using. I took the breech plug out and pushed a cap on the nipple, I then scribed all the way around the top of the cap. Took the cap off and placed one on the side of the nipple where it should be when seated, made a mark. There was a differance between the scribed line and the mark. So I got my honeing stone out and some oil,slowly twisted the nipple on the stone. I went slow and made sure to keep it uniform. Took between one or two hours if I remember right to get the caps to seat where they should.

This turned an unreliable rifle (first time at range it fired 4 times out 11)into an extremely reliable hunting rifle. In the last nine years I have never had another missfire with 200+ rounds through it now.

 

[jdixon]

I am a big fan of the RWS 1075's, they seem to work the best on all of my revolvers, save the Uberti Walker which seems to favor CCI #11's. If you have trouble finding RWS's inyour area, try Remington's, they are slightly different in size than the CCI's. DGW has a table in the back of their catalog which gives the various cap sizes and depths. One look at that table and it is plain to see, not all #11's, #10's etc. are made equal, there is a lot of difference between the brands in size. If you don't have the catalog handy, do a search on the pistol forum. I have posted that information on here in the past.

 

[oldmaster]

I have always had good luck with CCI caps. RWS are good too, just not plentiful where I live. The only problem I ever had was with a used Colt that had been dry fired a few too many times and the nipples needed a little emery cloth to smooth out the little ridges at the end of the nipples. :m2c:

 

[oldarmy]

I spoke to the CSR at Ruger about this when I was ordering new parts.
They were very nice however I didn't the serial numbers handy at the time and they wanted them for some reason..
I have written them down and I am going to shoot both of them this weekend.
Using both CCI and RWS primers.
If like I suspect, the RWS work well and the CCI's don't I am going to call them on Monday
I did try filiing down a set of nipples and being a heavy handed moron I took too much off, therefore ruining one set.

 

[George Wyman]

Old Army: I experienced the exact same problem as you describe. Took the gun back to the dealer ( Dixons Muzzleloading Shop) Mr. Dixon took a tin of Remington #11 caps from the shelf and we went out behind the store and started popping caps. 100% reliable. It seems that the Remington #11 caps are just a little bigger than CCI #11 and seat perfectly on the Ruger nipples. I bought 1,000
and have shot about 400 so far. No problems.

 

[Snuffy]

Change nipple brands or cap brands. eace: eace:

 

[Bob Riegl]

I know that most of the imported Repro Revolvers have nipples which are oversized for #11. Personally I use a Unimat lathe, chuck the nipples into the three jaw chuck and with small files I carefully reduce the size until the #11 seats properly. The common characteristic is as stated above the first shot seats the cap and the second one fires---this is quite a common complaint. Not having a lathe try using a variable speed drill and use the same approach with small needle files and carefully reduce the overall diameter. The next time I am in the shop I will mike the original nipples and the reduced nipples and register the difference in clearances. BTW I do not agree with some opinions stated elsewhere in the MLF that pushing the caps on the nipples will not cause the cap to fire :bull: . I have seen the result on the thumb of my shooting buddy when he did exert undue pressure to seat a #11 cap---he lost a chunk of his thumb and came close to a disaster as the cylinder which discharged was not in line with the barrel, so the ball went down range without passing through the barrel---some damage occurred to the gun as well. :m2c:

 

[ValleyForge]

Interesting. I've been having the same problem on an Uberti Colt 1861 repro. CCI #10s don't fit -- can't even turn the cylinder. #11s misfire half the time, then work when re-fired. But with my Pietta 1858 Remingtons, the CCI #11s work perfectly.

My local outfitter only sells CCI caps. I don't want to buy 1000 Remingtons from Cabelas just to see if they work better. Do you guys know who stocks these RWS caps ,and whether they're available in smaller amounts so I can test them?

Thanks.
ValleyForge

 

[pondoro]

Wally World has Remington #11, but not #10, if you wish to experiment with Remington.

 

[oldarmy]

not to flog the dead horse.
I tried my old..oldarmy made in 75
Once again
the RWS's worked 90% the CCI11's had to hit them first second time they worked.
I can try fitting the nipples to them, but I think I am just going to buy RWS and let CCI figure out why they are lossing business.
I wish my Wally world carried Remmington's I would buy some to try.
I want to buy Amercian made.. but if the only brand you can buy doesn't work. what are you suppost to do..

 

I had 2 tins of CCI caps that wern't worth a dam . Then I got RWS caps (I almost fell over when I saw the price) and tried them . The RWS caps worked GREAT , and were worth every penny I paid for them (699) . They are the only caps I use now . If for some reason , I couldn't find RWS caps , I'd take Remington over CCI . CCI makes great rimfire ammo , but thier caps just plain , suck :imo: :results: .

 

[Pittsburghunter]

I have had good luck with most caps I have tried including the CCI caps. I run into a different problem than you do though. If I do not foul my nipples first the caps will fall off when I shoot. For this reason I always fire off all chambers empty to get some good ol sticking to the nipple action before I load my pistol.

Are you sure the tension on your main spring is adjusted properly?

 

[mewing6003]

I have had good luck with most caps I have tried including the CCI caps. I run into a different problem than you do though. If I do not foul my nipples first the caps will fall off when I shoot. For this reason I always fire off all chambers empty to get some good ol sticking to the nipple action before I load my pistol.

Are you sure the tension on your main spring is adjusted properly?

I had the same problem as you. I now use #10 caps and the problem went away. However, each revolver is different, even the same model from the same company. I have one pietta 1860 army that only works with #10 caps and one that only works with #11 caps. I shy away from CCI caps and mostly use remington. Remington is the only ones locally that I can find in #10 anyway. :m2c:

 

[oldarmy]

Pittsburghunter..
I don't know how to ajust the tension on the mainspring.
How do you do that?
I did mess around with them- the springs- and ever since then I have been having nothing but problems with them.
I should have just left them alone and lived with the heavy trigger.
I am in Whitefield nh, just a few miles south of "Real Gods country"
The STATE IS FILLIN UP TOO FAST

 

[Pittsburghunter]

I never really adjusted mine but it fires off so I have not needed too. I have a screw in front of the handgrips that changes the tension on mine.

Whitefield huh? I ate dinner at Grandma's Kitchen Friday on my way up to camp :thumbsup:

 

[JackAubrey]

I had some difficulty w/ CCI's on my revolvers,switched to RWS and have had no trouble since.I am certain sure CCI makes a fine cap as does Remington.It has been oft said that each blackpowder gun is a law in and of itself and so it would seem.Two major shifts came about b/c of this experience early in my B.P. days.The first, as I mentioned ,was switching exclusively to RWS,regardless of the higher cost.The second was never using Pyrodex P in my revolvers again.From this point on it was Goex 3f.It appears to be more flash sensitive than Pyrodex P.I have been very pleased w/ the results.Best regards,Jack.

 

[oldarmy]

Emmerson & sons in Groveton sells RWS and I will have to run up and buy some. I only use goex fffg in mine also.
You sould come down and shoot at alder brook range on rt116 some time before winter sets in.
I am going to have to call up Ruger and ask them what's up.
thanks for the help

 

[JIMinPHX]

For me, CCI #10's went off 45 times out of 45 tried on a Pietta clone of Rem New Army. They fit that gun just fine.

 

[wwfeatherston]

The RWS caps fit a bit better on my Uberti, especially after I had fired the first cylinder, but so far out of 20 caps, I have had to totally fail to fire and one that sort of 'fizzled' and failed to fire the cylinder.

I will stay with CCI, even if I have to give them more of a squeeze!

Still, I'm not getting the slowest times and are still beating some of them with new-fangled cartridge guns!