Need a really cheap flintlock to just try flintlocks out before getting one that will cost some real bucks, only friend that has one cant get away for 2 weeks and I need to do this sooner anyone know of who to ck with for one, it can be a trash can for all I care as long as its safe just want to see how I like shooting them. Fred :hatsoff:
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By the time your order it & they ship it will only be a week dif. in your friend being able to go, so why not wait on him & save your $ and see how his does. :hmm:
You might PM Roundball & possibly he will know of a T/C flintlock that is reasonable.
By the time your order it & they ship it will only be a week dif. in your friend being able to go, so why not wait on him & save your $ and see how his does. :hmm:
You might PM Roundball & possibly he will know of a T/C flintlock that is reasonable.
Be careful because there's a big difference between a really nice flintlock and a 'trash can.' The one you will want to keep shooting and the other might be very frustrating. If you get a cheap one to see if you like it, and are shooting alone and have trouble making it work, it won't be a fair trial.
Just some thoughts.
Just some thoughts.
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You aren't going to like flint guns if you judge them by your assesment of cheap examples.
I whole heartledly agree. Nothing can be more unjust for a beginner being introduced to flintlock shooting with a "piece of junk" that won't spart, or just won't go off because of a wide range of overlooked problems. Best to be indoctrinated with a well made and sighted in flintlock. Amen Brother!!! ......George F.
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That is a true statement. I flinter has to be tuned by some one who knows what they are doing to make shoot consistantly. It don't take much to bust a cap with a cheap lock but a cheap flintlock ain't going to work right unless your lucky.
I too strongly agree!
When I first got into front stuffing nearly 30yrs ago I was in love with flint locks so I went & bought the CVA Kentucky Pistol & Rifle both of them rock locks.
I must admit that I knew very little about them & had no one to teach me the ins & outs.
Long story short, I became sufficently frustrated with them that I gave up muzzle loading for about 3 yrs & didnt pick up another flinter for almost 10.
2yrs ago I was rummaging around in my attic when I found the Kentucky pistol. (Never did find the rifle, wonder what happened to it :hmm: )30yrs of experiance gave me the skills to tune the lock & turn it into a fairly reliable shooter.
If you are going to go the less expensive rout make sure you know someone that can help you tune the lock etc to get decent performance.
When I first got into front stuffing nearly 30yrs ago I was in love with flint locks so I went & bought the CVA Kentucky Pistol & Rifle both of them rock locks.
I must admit that I knew very little about them & had no one to teach me the ins & outs.
Long story short, I became sufficently frustrated with them that I gave up muzzle loading for about 3 yrs & didnt pick up another flinter for almost 10.
2yrs ago I was rummaging around in my attic when I found the Kentucky pistol. (Never did find the rifle, wonder what happened to it :hmm: )30yrs of experiance gave me the skills to tune the lock & turn it into a fairly reliable shooter.
If you are going to go the less expensive rout make sure you know someone that can help you tune the lock etc to get decent performance.
A Lyman Trade rifle in 54cal would be a good, inexpensive way to start. The next bump up would be the Lyman Plains rifle or something from T/C. Once you get the bug you'll be saving up for a semi-custom or custom in short order so start setting funds aside now,LOL. :thumbsup:
Thanks VERY much from everyonr , my trying one is in will I be distracted by the pan going off before the ball does is all I want to ck out. Dont care if it will hit the side of a barn , got to know how it acts before going crack, and it sounds like many different things can cause that to not go right. May just have to wait the few weeks after all. Again much thanks to everyone. :applause: Fred :hatsoff:
If your thinking flint do get the best you can afford as cheap is not the way to go. The trouble with flint is it is addictive once you shoot one you will want another one.
AS far as the flash in the pan don't worry if you have been shooting open sights for some time you know just focus on the front sight and you will not see the flash. You will have to learn to hold you sight picture until after you feel the recoil.
Fox :thumbsup:
AS far as the flash in the pan don't worry if you have been shooting open sights for some time you know just focus on the front sight and you will not see the flash. You will have to learn to hold you sight picture until after you feel the recoil.
Fox :thumbsup:
Been shooting black powder since about 71, and near full time since 93/94, if thats all it takes. This will be a very wanted rifle. long time wanted, just been planning it for a perc till it came time to build and the time frame is right for both, so I thought "never had one of those, that shoots anyhow, why not. Sooo. Fred :hatsoff:
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Fred: SAw an opening credit for the old Daniel Boone TV series with Fess Parker. His gun goes off kaBoom!, indicating a well tuned lock, properly primed, and the vent picked. Don't know if Fess was taught to do that, or just some prop guy off stage. If you want to be the least distracted, you want to be shooting a well tuned lock, and not some cheap, slow, with lots of problems lock that takes forever to fire. The longer the lock takes to actually fire the main charge, the longer you have to hold your position after the sear breaks. A fast lock is a joy to shoot, and will make you an addict, like most of us, fast.
Another reason is Bad powder. Don't try to use subs or Elephant powder in it if you want good ignition.
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fw said:
Don't just get a cheap one, get one that works! Many cheap flinters have "issues" that would sour the best of flint shooters. There are some cheap guns that work, so maybe you shoud buy a used one that has a good record, or better yet find someone with a good quality gun that will let you shoot it until you decide. Even if you have to "bribe" them with money or food, it would be better than throwing away good money on a dud.
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"cheap flintlock" is oxy moron.
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I think Fess Parker had an electric ignition. I may be wrong. If I am I should apologize profusely. In the very early black and white credits he shot an Indian and a bear instead of splitting a tree. I think the viewers liked the special effects of the tree splitting. Ticklicker was the name he gave to his rifle in the series.
Daniel Boon's life and trials should be a lesson in school. Tragedy and trauma, with a super struggle to survive and make good.
Buy a decent flintlock and you will be hooked for life. They are wonderful.
Daniel Boon's life and trials should be a lesson in school. Tragedy and trauma, with a super struggle to survive and make good.
Buy a decent flintlock and you will be hooked for life. They are wonderful.
Was talking to builder today and he said youv been shooting caps fine for years it isnt much different (in words something like that ) till I said "ya Ive been shooting underhammers the last few years",( except when I pull out one of the 2 Hawkens. ) but I get the idea of it. I'll wait on the one I know is right or just move on with the build. Thanks everyone I guess your right about finding a cheap flintlock that even shoots once. Fred :hatsoff:
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We didn't have electric ignition back in the 50's when that series was made. Sorry. If you watch that scene and watch the flash in relation to the report of the rifle, and smoke coming out the barrel, its the real deal. That is why I noticed.
The true history of Boone is amazing. All the pulp novels written during his life, and since, are so much silliness. He certainly didn't mind " Yarning " when he was out and about. He had to convince people to pull up stakes, cross the mountains, and settle in a land they had never seen. And, he was a celebrity in his own life, only to have it all fall down around his ears in his later years, when land specutlators stole his lands in Kentucky, as well as all the land he has sold to other settlers, claiming improperly surveyed boundaries. Boone left Kentucky forever, and moved to what is Now Missouri, where he was given a title the equivalent of " governor " by the Spanish authorities to control the settlement of Americans in the territory. He was also paid a huge tract of land, which he used to either pay people for there losses in Kentucky, or exchange and give to Kentucky residents who lost their lands there to the crooks.
He paid off all his debts by the time he died, survived both the Spanish ownership of Lousianna Territory, and the brief ownership of the French, before it was finally sold to the United States. His ownership of his Missouri Lands had to be recognized by the States according to the treaties signed transferring title.( My Great Grandfather came from Kentucky to present Day Columbia and was listed as a founder of the town.) Boone lived into his early 90s, with one of his sons and grand children near Defiance.
He held court as a magistrate under Judgment Tree, which finally died and fell about 60 years ago.I saw the remnants of it years ago when I visted the historic site. They also had a black and white picture of the tree, taken in the 20s or 30s, before it finally died.
There still is a great dispute as to where he is buried as Kentucky supposedly bought his remains and interred them back in Kentucky. Now, some think that what Kentucky actually got were the bones of a Black Slave, and that Boone, and his wife, Rebecca are still buried in Missouri. No one can say definitively, today, so Boone is a part of history, only. He was one heckuva hunter and shot. He actually killed very few Indians, and no known white men. He would rather negotiate with the Indians than to kill them. In that respect, he was a very modern man.
The true history of Boone is amazing. All the pulp novels written during his life, and since, are so much silliness. He certainly didn't mind " Yarning " when he was out and about. He had to convince people to pull up stakes, cross the mountains, and settle in a land they had never seen. And, he was a celebrity in his own life, only to have it all fall down around his ears in his later years, when land specutlators stole his lands in Kentucky, as well as all the land he has sold to other settlers, claiming improperly surveyed boundaries. Boone left Kentucky forever, and moved to what is Now Missouri, where he was given a title the equivalent of " governor " by the Spanish authorities to control the settlement of Americans in the territory. He was also paid a huge tract of land, which he used to either pay people for there losses in Kentucky, or exchange and give to Kentucky residents who lost their lands there to the crooks.
He paid off all his debts by the time he died, survived both the Spanish ownership of Lousianna Territory, and the brief ownership of the French, before it was finally sold to the United States. His ownership of his Missouri Lands had to be recognized by the States according to the treaties signed transferring title.( My Great Grandfather came from Kentucky to present Day Columbia and was listed as a founder of the town.) Boone lived into his early 90s, with one of his sons and grand children near Defiance.
He held court as a magistrate under Judgment Tree, which finally died and fell about 60 years ago.I saw the remnants of it years ago when I visted the historic site. They also had a black and white picture of the tree, taken in the 20s or 30s, before it finally died.
There still is a great dispute as to where he is buried as Kentucky supposedly bought his remains and interred them back in Kentucky. Now, some think that what Kentucky actually got were the bones of a Black Slave, and that Boone, and his wife, Rebecca are still buried in Missouri. No one can say definitively, today, so Boone is a part of history, only. He was one heckuva hunter and shot. He actually killed very few Indians, and no known white men. He would rather negotiate with the Indians than to kill them. In that respect, he was a very modern man.
Even an expensive gun can have problems. I have an ERA Cumberland Fowler and on my first outing with it I had a couple misfires and flash in the pans. You'll need to tweak the gun no matter what the price. Each gun has a law unto it's self and until you figure it out no flintlock is 100% but once you do it's as close to 100% as you can get. :thumbsup:
