Competiton in Germany

[erzengel]

I partizipate in competition shooting in the "Rheinische Schützenbund RSB" within the "Deutsche Schützenbund DSB".

There is furthermore the
"Bund Deutscher Schützen BDS", the
"Bund Deutscher Militär- und Polizeischützen BDMP" and the
"Schwarzpulverinitiative SPI" offering competition in bp.

We shoot according to the MLAIC rules with some national modifications.

The rules can be obtained for free at http://www.dsb.de/sportordnung/. Registration necessary. Unfortunately to most, only in German. :hmm:

There is no difference between original and replica. I can't remember that I have seen anybody shooting with an original.

Most decisive difference is the number of shots and time.

International rule, 13 shots in 30 minutes the best ten shots count.

National:

10 minutes practice shots as many as you wish and can do within ten minutes.

15 shots in competion, all count time 40 minutes.

Target ist the ISSF 25 / 50 m target, ten ring 50mm (1.97"), 7 ring 200m (7.87") white 1 500mm (19,69").

I have taken some of my better results. There are others which are worse. 105 rings with 15 shots, all hit the 7 ring around the center. [strike]nono word.[/strike]

distence 25m. All offhand.

flintlock caliber .44 can be like that:

20 grain FFFg CH NR. 2 with a .440 ball and .10 patch

percussion caliber .31 pistol

10 grain FFFg CH NR.2 .307 ball, .10 patch

revolver caliber .44

10 grain FFFg CH NR.2 15 grain semolina, .457 ball and on top green greas or something similar like valve grease for "Bierhaehne", "lebensmittelecht" food genuine ?

With the revolver, I am worst. I have difficulties with the Front sight. Will make some new ones with different hight. And may be I go back to 15 grain CH NR. 2.


This might go to flintlock rifle but would be a sort of double post and therefore placed here:

flintlock Pennsylvania Carbine caliber .44

distance 50m offhand

30 grain CH Nr. 2, .44 ball, patch .10

Since 2003 we must shoot according to officially rules in writing, approved and accepted by a federal agency.
No simple shooting at targets like the I have already seen here.

 

[mazo kid]

Very interesting; thank you for sharing. Emery

 

[arquebus]

Welcome Erzengel, I shoot MLAIC here in the U.S.A.
Is your .44 flintlock pistol rifled or smoothbore? I know MLAIC only has an event for smoothbore flintlock pistols, but perhaps your national rules allow for rifled as well(?). I use the Pedersoli 'Mortimer' .44 smoothbored flint pistol for the 'Cominazzo' match & I am very pleased with it. I've recently begun using a Pedersoli 'Carleton' underhammer percussion pistol for the 'Kuchenreuter' match.
It is good to have someone else here who shoots MLAIC competition, hope you contribute often!

 

[erzengel]

Our national rules allow rifled flintlock pistols in competition numbered 7.60. (7 deenoted to muzzleloaders)

So far I have no smoothbore, neither pistol nor rifle or musket. Would become difficult to start in every competitíon class. I start additionally in quite a number of competitions labled 1. and 2. which do not belong in this forum.

My flintlock pistol is a rifled one.

Base is a Parker of London from Ardesa. A gunsmtih has tuned the pistol, lock trigger have been polished and the barrel has been replaced by one from Green Mountain in .44. I bought it used, but it locked like never shot accept once required by CIP. (Don't find the expression für "amtlicher Beschuss") I think it was a good bargain.

 

[arquebus]

Would become difficult to start in every competitíon class.

I know what you mean. I tend to specialize in three of the MLAIC rifle events (M2, M3, & M4), but am also branching out into some of the handgun events (M5, M6, & M12). Until recently, it seems that MLAIC required a different style of gun for each event, but now they are coming out with new ones where the same gun can be used for more than one event. This is a good thing, as it gets prohibitive having to transport so many guns to competitions, especially when going overseas.

 

[erzengel]

As the national rules are not strictly MLAIC, over here new classes are upcoming from time to time. Flint lock pistol smoothbore and Flint lock rifle 100m prone are the ones I recall.

Single shot muzzle loaders are free over here, but I owe some other (modern) weapons and start at the competitons for those weapons too. A must to after the last change of the law from 25.7.2009.

November to April are busy times in competition shooting.

You start with club championship.

Competition shooting over club starts with the lowest level called "Kreismeisterschaft" through "Bezirksmeisterschaft" over "Landesmeisterschaft" to "Deutsche Meisterschaft" At every competuiton you must qualify for next higher competiton.

"Kreismeisterschaft" as lowest level is localy, about 30 clubs. In my case, just my hometown, in ohter caese may be what you call a county.

"Bezirskmeisterschaft" depending on the competition may be open to all. If there too many who want to attend, qualification is set to reduce competers to about 40 in a weapon class. In my case, the competers belong to seven Kreise.

"Landesmeisterschaft" in my case is "Rheinischer Schützenbund = RSB" and that is now a little bit complecated. It is comparable to a state championship but the RSB covers parts Nordrhein-Westfalen, Rheinland-Pflaz, Hessen and I think Saarland. 17 Bezirke make up the RSB.

I have never thought much about it, but the boundaries of the RSB may well run along the old lines of the French occupation of the Rheinland at the times of Napoleon.

Never made it to the national championship and rarely to the Landesmeisterschaft so I would very much like to qualify in flint lock pistol.

 

[Blizzard of '93]

good post - looks as if you had the Le Page dialed in, good shooting. the .44 ain't bad, most shots in the black.
pistol is my favorite BP shooting. I practice some with my .50 cal.s before hunting season.

 

[erzengel]

I do something wrong with .44. I think not holding steady enough after pulling the trigger.

It is not alway good. Some days are bad. But than I have difficulties with my eyes. I have -4.75 dioptrien. For shooting, the right eye glass has -4,25 dioptrien. Sights are clear, target is blurred, which does not matter, as long round is round not eliptical. Some days I can't focus enough.

For bp shooting I use:

Looks nearly like a normal pair of glasses but that are safty glasses (gogles).

 

[R.M.]

Interesting glasses erzengel. I use Knoblock myself.
You are 100% correct on the target out of focus. The center of a grey blob is still the center of a crisp bull, no difference. Not many shooters understand the concept of keeping the front sight crisp, and who cares what the bull looks like.

 

[erzengel]

I use this glasses due to the integrated side protection. In bp and flint necessary. Sometimes you parts from caps are flying around form the neigbour or a bit from aflint.

Even for non-glasses wearer a insurence against eye injury.

For other non muzzle loader shooting, I use gehmann and champion. Same style as Knobloch. Different weapons, differnt ranges, different glasses.