conical shooters

[coloradoclyde]

If all the deer hunter own a deer rifle, gun manufacturers can't sell many guns.....But if we make new rules that say hunters have to use different guns, manufacturers get to make and sell lots of guns....
See the relationship?
Follow the money.....

 

[Stumpkiller]

From what I can gather in my area (Central NY) the hunting of deer was banned in 1907 - which by then was like banning the shooting of werewolves - and did not re-open until 1938; at which time it was made shotgun only. There was a one year "experimental" statewide season in 1928 and seven (7) deer were taken in Broome County - where I live. 322 in 1938.

Whitetail were about wiped out. In Cortland County it made the newspapers in 1859 when someone reported seeing a whitetail buck! Before the Civil War in much of NY except the Adirondacks whitetail were like mountain lions are now - rumored to exist. They let them build up before making seasonal hunting.

In its second annual report ( 1887 : 1 16) the Forest Commission of New York stated, with reference to the Catskill Preserve: Hunting in this region is confined chiefly to grouse, rabbits, squirrels and such small game. Deer are rarely seen and much more rarely killed. The last of the deer were killed off some twelve years ago when there was a great body of snow fell, on which a crust formed of sufficient strength to bear the weight of a man. Pot hunters came into this region . . . and killed large numbers of deer, from which the hides were taken and the carcasses left to rot in the woods . . . It is fair to suppose that there are not a dozen deer in this whole Catskill region . . ."

HISTORY OF DEER IN NEW YORK Severnnghaus, Brown 1955

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/histdeernewyork.pdf

In fact, only 18% of all bucks harvest in New York were three and a half years old or older (4th lowest nationally). This, combined with the highest average snowfall in the nation, means that New York has a large number of hunters enduring miserable conditions and a hostile political climate (in New York, you pay extra for your bowhunting “privilege”) to hunt a deer herd that is imbalanced at best.

That, friends, is enough to earn New York the number one spot on our list of 10 Worst Deer Hunting States in 2014.
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/top-10-worst-deer-hunting-states/[/quote]

Woo Hoo! We're #1 from the bottom up! Come embrace the challenge and hunt in NY. :hatsoff:

 

[will5a1]

Bill - IN now, and for maybe the past 5 years, has allowed certain CF rifles for deer hunting. OH has done much the same, for a couple of years now, I think the OH list of "acceptable" cartridges is broader.

FWIW I wish Ohio, way back when, would have made the statewide muzzleloading season a primitive season - roundball, iron sights, sidehammer only. Some guys in IN, maybe two years ago, petitioned DNR for a late primitive season (no inlines), the proposed season met with such opposition it was nixed.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Some guys in IN, maybe two years ago, petitioned DNR for a late primitive season (no inlines), the proposed season met with such opposition it was nixed.

Lobbyists have deep pockets....
Everyone has tried to cash in on the in-line craze.....the profit margin is ridiculously higher than a traditional ml.....heck I think I even saw a AR15 muzzleloader once....

 

[nkbj]

This was one of the experiments that "almost worked" in the .40 x 48" twist GM barrels. When fired with heavy charges they would often maintain alignment, fly straight and not tip. And then again sometimes they would start to tip somewhere in flight or else open up the group even when the hole was perfectly round.



That's a whole lot of bullet expansion (percentage wise) to fill up the grooves on the GM barrels. I just couldn't get it to do it the same way every time.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Been there...done that! .....went back to a round ball. :grin: :grin:

 

[swathdiver]

If we carefully analyze all gun related laws, we can see that gun control has no party lines.

Quite right, The more an activity is regulated, the more power is ceded to government and the more lawyers are sent to Washington to lobby for their causes.

For the love of money is the root of all evil.

Merry Christmas Gentlemen!

 

[coloradoclyde]

If we carefully analyze all gun related laws, we can see that gun control has no party lines.

Quite right, The more an activity is regulated, the more power is ceded to government and the more lawyers are sent to Washington to lobby for their causes.

For the love of money is the root of all evil.

Merry Christmas Gentlemen!

:shocked2: ....It's a Saturnalia miracle..... :haha:
We two dipoles have found something to agree upon.... :thumbsup: :hatsoff:
Happy Holidays ...... :grin:

 

[Patocazador]

To answer your question, I found this on Traditional Bowhunter":

"I like to make my own bowstring wax. Start with beeswax from your local beekeeper or online beekeeping supply house. Melt it inside a clean tin can placed into a pot of boiling water (be careful, it is flammable) and add a little pine pitch or pine rosin to the liquid wax. Stir well. The more pitch you add the stickier the wax will be."

 

[Billnpatti]

Bill - IN now, and for maybe the past 5 years, has allowed certain CF rifles for deer hunting. OH has done much the same, for a couple of years now, I think the OH list of "acceptable" cartridges is broader.

FWIW I wish Ohio, way back when, would have made the statewide muzzleloading season a primitive season - roundball, iron sights, sidehammer only. Some guys in IN, maybe two years ago, petitioned DNR for a late primitive season (no inlines), the proposed season met with such opposition it was nixed.

That's good news. This change in the Indiana hunting laws allowing CF rifles makes sense. Now if they will just set aside a portion of the deer season for traditional FL muzzleloaders shooting PRBs all will be as it should:thumbsup:

 

[dwr]

Are you talking about a Lyman GPR in 40 cal.

It's a 16" twist x .005 groove depth barrel made by Ed Rayl in West Virginia. From the barrel blank was made a die to engrave rifling on bullets to minimize the expansion needed to seal off the bore and prevent gas cutting, pretty much the same technique as used with the hexagonal bored Whitworth rifles. That lets you shoot heavy mechanically fitted bullets and bore size lubed lead bullets for target work, medium weight paper patched bullets for anything you're really mad at

and tightly patched round ball for small game out to 30-40 yards.

Too bad Indiana has regulations written around the unmentionables not discussed here and has a .45 minimum caliber for muzzleloaders, though not for the bullet diameter. Otherwise I would use the GPR for hunting deer.
In retrospect, without regard to deer hunting, the .40 could be improved for my purposes with a little slower twist. One turn in 28" would be plenty quick, load easier and clean up easier, and I suspect not be so picky in load development with bullets that don't look like pencils.
Could actually go even slower. The work ups I did years ago with a set of GM barrels 28" and a 38" in length showed me that though I could not obtain consistent results with lubed lead or paper patched in the 48" twist, it was right there on the cusp of being workable. I'd have the Eureka moment... and then flyers!
:redface:

So, I've kept the one GM 28" long barrel just for round ball. And I've given thought to having the 16" twist barrel rebored to .42 to paper patch with all those off the shelf .41 revolver molds. Maybe some day. For now I want to reach out and see how well yotes stand up to that medium weight 250 grainer.
Maybe some day the GPR will get rebored to a medium twist .48 so it will be Indiana legal and I can shoot round ball and paper patch the .476 revolver molds. Maybe some day.
But the last thing I'm going to do with muzzleloading is be in a hurry.
:wink:

Good Cheer,

May I inquire about that conical in your post?

Looks interesting....what mold is that?

Thanks!

 

[nkbj]

Are you talking about a Lyman GPR in 40 cal.

It's a 16" twist x .005 groove depth barrel made by Ed Rayl in West Virginia. From the barrel blank was made a die to engrave rifling on bullets to minimize the expansion needed to seal off the bore and prevent gas cutting, pretty much the same technique as used with the hexagonal bored Whitworth rifles. That lets you shoot heavy mechanically fitted bullets and bore size lubed lead bullets for target work, medium weight paper patched bullets for anything you're really mad at

and tightly patched round ball for small game out to 30-40 yards.

Too bad Indiana has regulations written around the unmentionables not discussed here and has a .45 minimum caliber for muzzleloaders, though not for the bullet diameter. Otherwise I would use the GPR for hunting deer.
In retrospect, without regard to deer hunting, the .40 could be improved for my purposes with a little slower twist. One turn in 28" would be plenty quick, load easier and clean up easier, and I suspect not be so picky in load development with bullets that don't look like pencils.
Could actually go even slower. The work ups I did years ago with a set of GM barrels 28" and a 38" in length showed me that though I could not obtain consistent results with lubed lead or paper patched in the 48" twist, it was right there on the cusp of being workable. I'd have the Eureka moment... and then flyers!
:redface:

So, I've kept the one GM 28" long barrel just for round ball. And I've given thought to having the 16" twist barrel rebored to .42 to paper patch with all those off the shelf .41 revolver molds. Maybe some day. For now I want to reach out and see how well yotes stand up to that medium weight 250 grainer.
Maybe some day the GPR will get rebored to a medium twist .48 so it will be Indiana legal and I can shoot round ball and paper patch the .476 revolver molds. Maybe some day.
But the last thing I'm going to do with muzzleloading is be in a hurry.
:wink:

Good Cheer,

May I inquire about that conical in your post?

Looks interesting....what mold is that?

Thanks!

Yes sir, it was made by Walt Melander of NEI about the time Carter left office. Drops out at .393" diameter.

 

[Shifty]

I don't know the specs on that little .393 bullet but i bet in a 1/30 or 1/32 twist it would be real little shooter.I would like to have a barrel like that (40 cal 1/32 twist)just to play with.

 

[dwr]

Thanks, GC.

I was hoping to score one in that configuration in 54 Cal...but some things aren't to be...sigh

 

[tomme boy]

If you know the size that you need for your muzzleloader, go here and tell him what you need.

Accurate Molds

He already has a bunch of muzzle loader molds on file. And each can be made to the exact size of your barrel.

These are the only molds I buy for any of my guns anymore. New or traditional guns.

 

[nkbj]

You can get molds altered to suit at hollowpointmold.com as well.
Excellent workmanship.

 

[tomme boy]

Eric at HPmolds just modifies them. He does not make any molds.