no offense taken :v i must be lucky with the 3 kentuckys i have owned. wish i still had my first one, it was an early one piece stock with american made barrel. i've heard the stories, but luckily have never experienced anything negative. they've been reliable, except for 1 frizzen. i definately have to agree about the 2 piece stock, they are uglier than sin with either the big brass connector, or the brass spacer. i love the accuracy though, darn things are tack drivers. that being said, there are alot better quality rifles to be had for not much more money. after thinking it over, i'd probably reccomend putting another $150 with that $200, and get a NEW Lyman Trade Rifle. in 54 ofcourse :thumbsup:Rifleman1776 said:Capsmacker, we are all proud of our guns and defend what works for us. My comment was not generalized about all CVA guns. Their later Hawken/Mountain rifle was/is a fine factory made ml rifle. My unflattering comment was restricted to the early 'Kentucky' models. They were unmitigated junk and, IMHO, dangerously so. Uglier than a mud hen but that doesn't affect shooting or safety. My advice on the 'Kentucky' model is to check out very-very carefully and do not over pay.