1100 Remington Man
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How can one tell if it was made before 1991 or after ? What was the changes in the guns ? Was this a positive or negative change ? Thanks. This is for TC Renegade
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They made a change with the Tang Screws around that time,
Pre 1991, has two wood screws holding the tang in, and the Trigger Guard was/is held with two wood screws also.
1991 and forward they changed the front tang screw to a through stock tang bolt that threads into the front section of the trigger guard, like this;
The Guard still has it's two lower screws.
I'm not sure when in 91 they did this, or if it was a complete production change over or if they continued the old style till the inventory exhausted of old parts.(know what I mean?)
It wasn't just the Renegade as the Hawken model has a similar change and I have a Big Bore stock with a single trigger that has the through stock bolt too.
Pre 1991, has two wood screws holding the tang in, and the Trigger Guard was/is held with two wood screws also.
1991 and forward they changed the front tang screw to a through stock tang bolt that threads into the front section of the trigger guard, like this;
The Guard still has it's two lower screws.
I'm not sure when in 91 they did this, or if it was a complete production change over or if they continued the old style till the inventory exhausted of old parts.(know what I mean?)
It wasn't just the Renegade as the Hawken model has a similar change and I have a Big Bore stock with a single trigger that has the through stock bolt too.
1100 Remington Man
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Thanks for that answer. The reason I ask is Williams sells a peep sight like the Thompson Center only it's for pre 1991 models. With the Thompson Center sight hard to find & costing so much, just looking for a different option. I do like Williams Peep sight as I have one on a Model 39 .22 rifle.
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I would guess it's because the earlier guns had the extra screw in the tang. The Williams sight would probably work if you drill and tap the extra hole, or find a pre-91 tang. And a longer tang bolt might be required, for the front bolt. The front bolt would have to be longer to make up for the thickness of the Williams sight, because you would need to maintain, full thread engagement.
I wouldn't think it would be a major problem. But then again, I'm a machinist.
I wouldn't think it would be a major problem. But then again, I'm a machinist.
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Hey Necchi
When did they eliminate the third screw, in the tang? I wonder if that was around the same time, they changed to the through the stock, machine screw.
Due to TC's lost records, it's difficult to date the rifles by serial numbers.
When did they eliminate the third screw, in the tang? I wonder if that was around the same time, they changed to the through the stock, machine screw.
Due to TC's lost records, it's difficult to date the rifles by serial numbers.
Now that's interesting. I wonder what the difference would be with that?
I've always stuck with the open iron sights on my trad ml's so I haven't really messed with the peeps, (yet).
I know some of the tangs have a predrilled extra hole from the factory that they then plugged with an allen screw.
Folks that install peeps either use the pre-existing hole or drill and tap for the one that's needed.
Do you have a model # of the peep your looking at?
I'm curious about the difference.
I've always stuck with the open iron sights on my trad ml's so I haven't really messed with the peeps, (yet).
I know some of the tangs have a predrilled extra hole from the factory that they then plugged with an allen screw.
Folks that install peeps either use the pre-existing hole or drill and tap for the one that's needed.
Do you have a model # of the peep your looking at?
I'm curious about the difference.
1100 Remington Man
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Looking at Willams FP-Hawken & wondering if it's worth the trouble trying to get it to work or just keep looking for TC Peep Sight. Maybe I'm pushing it but I'm thinking of changing front sight also to a small white bead. I want to be able to shoot to 150 yds on Deer with a traditional muzzleloader. Just a little FYI In Sioux City at the Lewis & Clark Museum is a OLD Muzzleloading rifle it had a Peep Sight so even 200 yrs ago they saw a reason for it. Thanks
Seen peep sights on some very old guns. I do not understand why some folks need to feel all guilty over using a peep sight.
Oh yeah, they are correct enough, but only allowed at some shoot's.
Most rendezvous require open iron only. :idunno:
Most rendezvous require open iron only. :idunno:
I can see the not allowing an adjustable peep, but the basic peep? Doesn't make any sense. They have been around since Christ was a Corporal.necchi said:
It's all about the light and the pupil.
There's no doubt a peep improves the human eye's ability to focus on rifle sights and the target,, that's the hang.
It's such a vast improvement that it places an undue advantage to those using them in competition with those that aren't.
So it's kind of an all or nuthin deal.
I'm reaching that point. I might have a few years left shooting in the open site categories'. I'm needing more magnification in my tri focule's, cataract starting in my shooting eye.
Any shooter knows it's coming but mines a little sooner than expected. It's no big deal really (as far as the comp)(doesn't affect my hunting yet but I enjoy CF with optics more, dead deer is dead deer, nothing to prove anymore)
I've had my time, I'll just step aside, mentor and let the young eyes win like my elders did fer me, :wink:
But I'm gonna give them young fellers heck for at least another 2-3yrs
There's no doubt a peep improves the human eye's ability to focus on rifle sights and the target,, that's the hang.
It's such a vast improvement that it places an undue advantage to those using them in competition with those that aren't.
So it's kind of an all or nuthin deal.
I'm reaching that point. I might have a few years left shooting in the open site categories'. I'm needing more magnification in my tri focule's, cataract starting in my shooting eye.
Any shooter knows it's coming but mines a little sooner than expected. It's no big deal really (as far as the comp)(doesn't affect my hunting yet but I enjoy CF with optics more, dead deer is dead deer, nothing to prove anymore)
I've had my time, I'll just step aside, mentor and let the young eyes win like my elders did fer me, :wink:
But I'm gonna give them young fellers heck for at least another 2-3yrs
If a peep is so much improvement why don't all guns have them?
The only time I shot a gun with a peep it didn't seem like a big deal. What am I missing here?
The only time I shot a gun with a peep it didn't seem like a big deal. What am I missing here?
Probably just proper aperture size and placement of the peep.
They really need to be kind of custom tuned to the shooter to reap the full benefit.
You may have been using (tried) a very large aperture hole size that some folks have for hunting set up's.
maybe "Peep sight" is a broad term, there's these; http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/883/1/RS-CA-PEEP-14
Then these; http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/883/1/RS-57-SML
and these; http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/883/2/RS-DP-1874
They really need to be kind of custom tuned to the shooter to reap the full benefit.
You may have been using (tried) a very large aperture hole size that some folks have for hunting set up's.
maybe "Peep sight" is a broad term, there's these; http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/883/1/RS-CA-PEEP-14
Then these; http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/883/1/RS-57-SML
and these; http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/883/2/RS-DP-1874
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Probably not a lot. Except for the most accurate target sighting and the help it gives to old eyes, I don't see the point either....now that I have glasses to help me actually see! One of the more interesting variations I've seen is a period shooting bag with an old pair of wire rimmed glasses in it. The left side glass was removed totally, the right side glass had been replaced with a sheet of tin to match the lens cut out and had been japanned black with a small pin hole in the center. Sort of a peep sight to go! :wink:Cynthialee said:
Only if your name is Tom! :rotf:Cynthialee said:
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Try a Lyman sml 57.
Windage and elevation is simple.
Leave on the rear sight if you want for low light and the peep pops right out; peep goes back to zero later on.
But that will hurt you in good light, that is the buckhorn rear sight blocking out part of the peep.
Best of both words is a sml57 peep and a fold down rear sight.
Not PC but works for hunting.
Concerning OP, when did renegade go to single trigger? All mine are OEM or Davis double set.
Windage and elevation is simple.
Leave on the rear sight if you want for low light and the peep pops right out; peep goes back to zero later on.
But that will hurt you in good light, that is the buckhorn rear sight blocking out part of the peep.
Best of both words is a sml57 peep and a fold down rear sight.
Not PC but works for hunting.
Concerning OP, when did renegade go to single trigger? All mine are OEM or Davis double set.
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The reason all guns don't have them, is that they are not good in some Light conditions. Early morning and late evening, conditions are not good for peep sights. However, in competition shooting where light conditions are usually better, they do have the advantage. First off the sight radius is longer, and it's easier to focus on front sight and target. Olympic shooters, big bore military shooters, Sharps long range shooters, almost always use peep sights over open sights.
Open sights, are better for moving game, and short range. You'll mostly see open sights on rifles used to hunt dangerous game.
I've had peep sights mess my up my chances on deer, because I could not see.
Almost all bow shooters, that hunt use a peep. But then I guess it would be difficult to put Buckhorn sights on a bow.
Open sights, are better for moving game, and short range. You'll mostly see open sights on rifles used to hunt dangerous game.
I've had peep sights mess my up my chances on deer, because I could not see.
Almost all bow shooters, that hunt use a peep. But then I guess it would be difficult to put Buckhorn sights on a bow.
Small aperture peep sights also allow your eye to do what is impossible for a normal eye to do.
Focus on close and distant things at the same time.
Normally, the eye can only really focus on one thing at a time. That's why target shooters using open sights focus on the front sight allowing the rear sight and the target to become slightly out of focus.
Because of the narrow beam of light coming thru the peep sight the eye can see the front sight and the target distinctly. This gives the peep sight user an advantage.
Note: I did not include the "ghost ring" or large aperture sights. They allow a wide beam of light thru them which doesn't give this advantage.
Focus on close and distant things at the same time.
Normally, the eye can only really focus on one thing at a time. That's why target shooters using open sights focus on the front sight allowing the rear sight and the target to become slightly out of focus.
Because of the narrow beam of light coming thru the peep sight the eye can see the front sight and the target distinctly. This gives the peep sight user an advantage.
Note: I did not include the "ghost ring" or large aperture sights. They allow a wide beam of light thru them which doesn't give this advantage.
