Rock Home Isle
54 Cal.
In that image I see a healthy animal…what do you see?
deer season started yesterday,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Snake Pleskin
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I really do not think there is anything that needs defending, do you? A deer with a broadhead slammed into it is not a happy deer. period. Argue all you want. I am fairly certain the deer would agree with me.
i was sitting last year planning to shoot a doe. 2 came out, one of them had her right front leg bent at the knee joint up under her, so i shot and killed her. the leg was welded at the knee joint! you could not move it at all! but she was fat and eating fine,,,,,,,,,,,,
Snake Pleskin
54 Cal.
It appears so, does that mean it did not have pain, ABSOLUTELY NOT! There is no argument you can make that says the deer did not suffer initially or its entire life. I had a Lab they took an 11lb tumor out of. The dog never cried or wimpered once. That does not mean he was not in pain. I am not sure i understated why you think the deer did not feel anything?
Snake Pleskin
54 Cal.
I agree, but we are not just taking about surviving. The question is also about, "is there pain or suffering associated with the wounds" or in your example, the bad leg. I know lots of guys who are injured or hurt that get along fine. many of them have pain every day. They just learn to live with it.
Rock Home Isle
54 Cal.
You are moving the goal posts to fit your narrative. Was the animal “Suffering”…that’s it. If you knew anything about animal science…you’d be able to look at that image and admit that the animal is healthy and not suffering.
Rock Home Isle
54 Cal.
This is awesome. Very good.
Snake Pleskin
54 Cal.
I know you can read? but you are not comprehending. Read my post again. tell me how you know the deer did not suffer when shot, have pain then or its entire life. You can't and won't because you know you are wrong. Why do you continue to try and defend an indefensible position. You have no way of knowing that the deer did not suffer its entire life. as I said previously, animals learn to live with the pain , its part of their natural survival instinct. So, the deer lived and ate. That does not prove that it did not have pain every single day of its life. Please take the time to actually read my post thoroughly, and answer the questions. Can you prove the deer did not have pain and did not suffer? Not opinion, proof. Thanks
Snake Pleskin
54 Cal.
No, the animal is dead. You have no way of knowing if it was suffering or not or in pain its entire life.
Rock Home Isle
54 Cal.
Once again you prove that you do not understand animal science.
Your whole position is based entirely on an emotional response. And under those conditions, facts are meaningless to you.
The animal in that image was healthy…most people would agree. The animal in that image was not showing any signs of suffering…most people would have no clue how to make that determination, but those of us that know what to look for… would say, No Evidence of Suffering.
As to any pain or suffering in this animal’s past…pure speculation and conjecture. Not even part of the conversation…never was
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Go get’em tiger. Good luck to you.
Snake Pleskin
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Bull, you have answered the question, You have no idea. Thanks, do not give me the Animal Science bit, since my wife has a degree in it from University of Arizona, and worked in it until she retired! Got ya!
everything in this sinful corrupt world suffers! like it or not! i am suffering right now just reading the nonsense about if the deer i killed suffered! the deer was also covered with ticks! like all outdoor animals are in the south! i bet that ain't fun for them either! get a life!
Snake Pleskin
54 Cal.
It is not about you or shooting the deer. Don't take it personally it is not meant to be. I just think it is foolish to think that animals do not suffer, that's all. Also, the covered with ticks part is an unfortunate part of it, hope you use tick spray or something because I would hate for you to get bit and get Lyme disease etc. better safe then sorry.
Rock Home Isle
54 Cal.
Awesome..wonderful solution. Have your wife explain to you how brutal an existence it is in the life cycle of deer, and how a deer that is suffering, or elk, or antelope…almost never survives January and February…
Rock Home Isle
54 Cal.
And here is the voice of reason…you are correct.
Snake Pleskin
54 Cal.
Yes, many times they don't. It is usually the result of a severe injury or attack from a predator that makes it tough for them to forage or feed.. My Grandfather was a PH, and hunted all 4 continents. Trips that took months to complete late 50's into 60" and then more bird s in the 70's I am fairly familiar with wildlife believe it or not. Look closely at the pic, and the background ones too. He has animals that are outlawed now, that in his day were not one of the first to have the Grand Slam in Mt Sheep. The last pic ,the black animal is a WOlf ,next to the Alaskan Brown. Big Wolf. The grizzly killed two guides in his party. The caribou was take at 630 yds. mnt top to mtn top with a pre 64 WIn in .300 H&H with a custom Lyman Alaskan scope with 4 ranging dots he asked for and had built. Took 12 hrs on horseback to recover the caribou. Just as a bit of trivia, many of his trips were filmed and shown on Marlin Perkins Mutual of Omaha. The ships Wheels in the ceiling are original and come from my Uncles ships. He owned a fleet of seagoing tugs in Phila. among other things. This lodge is where I grew up every summer for most of my life.
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