Did Davey Crockett die at the Alamo?

[dave_person]

Hi,
The story of Crockett's execution after surrendering was recorded by Lt. De la Pena and published in:
De la Pena, Jose Enrique. 1975. With Santa Anna in Texas: A Personal Narrative of the Revolution. Texas A&M University Press, College Station, TX

Almost all of the witnesses to what happened at the Alamo are Mexican but it is only fairly recently that historians have dug into any writings that they left behind.

dave

 

[sethwyo]

I am working on a paper for college discussing history and the accuracy of it as it is taught. So, my question is this - Do you feel David (Davey) Crockett died at the Alamo?
I have done a ton of research, and many theorists say he was saved by Gen Santa Anna after being captured due to both him and Davey being a Mason. Now, when Santa Anna was captured by Sam Houston in battle after Alamo, he was also spared due to being a Mason. Theres also published newspaper articles stating he lived after with a bullet to shoulder. Then there's land grants signed by the President to Davey Crockett. While the signature od David Crockett has not been 100% authenticated parts of it were. And the biggest mystery is why would the President himself sign a land grant to a specific person, as the President Buchanan signature was validated, as was the Presidential seal on it. President Buchanan was also a Mason. Now said land grant was in Alabama where Davey was known to hunt, and it was also an area that once had Native tribes that Davey lost his political career to help protect and were known to be friends of Davey. The also news articles in the Austin City Gazette which posted a letter written Davey and given by Davey to a William White that Davey was and at time was currently forced to work in a mine in Mexico.
Then there's the many eyewitness stories all telling different versions of how he was killed, some by sword, some by bayonet, some by firing squad, some say he was just seen lying dead. So, what says the group while it can never be proven what's the public opinion. Does history have it correct?

Hy thank you for taking the time bringing this up for us here, Interestin item to chat about , it's always good to find good conversations an good folks here at the muzzleloadin form

 

[Omahkapi'si]

Might as well discuss what happened to Jimmy Hoffa while we’re at it.

Agree, close the thread. Let’s get back to muzzleloading era. Nothing wrong with discussions about Crockett or Alamo, just need to stay in our lane. My opinion, take or leave it.
Flame me if you want, my ignore button beckons.

 

[Johnny Too-Tall]

Hy thank you for taking the time bringing this up for us here, Interestin item to chat about , it's always good to find good conversations an good folks here at the muzzleloadin form

Well it did get side tracked from original topic but I am getting a ton of good opinions from it for the paper in regards the original topic. Hopefully the Mods - will allow it for a few more days to get a wider variety of opinions.

 

[Ed C.]

Moderators should delete this, why is it still here?

Oh look. Somebody is breaking a rule. Go tell Daddy to take it away cause I can't ignore it.

 

[AnotherHawkenGuy]

Hy thank you for taking the time bringing this up for us here, Interestin item to chat about , it's always good to find good conversations an good folks here at the muzzleloadin form

I reported you for what you said. As for everyone else, a lot going on here, this forum is getting weird. A lot you other people don’t know that’s going on behind the scenes. I don’t appreciate threats.

 

[Dude]

Why close the thread? If you've had enough, ignore it. Easy!

Good discussion! Just from what's been said here I have to conclude Davy died at the Alamo and The Kid didn't. (...die - when he supposedly did)

Do post your paper once it's written! I'd like to see what you come up with.

 

[Mulebrain]

I don't think anyone heard from Davy after the Alamo.

That tells me he more than likely Davy perished there.

 

[stephenprops1]

Davy Crockett had a son named after him, David Crockett Junior. Perhaps this has led to some of the confusion. When he got word of his father's death at The Alamo Junior went to Texas and joined the fight. After the war was over, he returned to Tennessee, got his family, and returned to Texas.

 

[Trev]

Crockett

Agree, close the thread. Let’s get back to muzzleloading era.

The Crockett I'm thinking of, Colonel David Crockett (August 17, 1786 – March 6, 1836) lived and died in the "muzzleloading era" and unless I'm mistaken was kinda famous for naming all his muzzleloaders "Betsey".
I think that given the era he lived and died that we would not even know his name if not for his being killed at the Alamo. How many other Congressmen from Tennessee can we name?

 

[FishDFly]

BUT, gun slingers were not using ML's were they?????????????.

So, what is the need for Billy the Kid in a question about Davy Crockett?

Folks with inquiring minds are waiting to hear your response.

 

[Trev]

Oh I'll agree that we don't need Henry McCarty or Bill Roberts or Elvis Presley, but that's no reason to close a thread. They do kinda fit the "is he really dead" question and similarities of the cases can shed light on the "reasoning" of why all these folks would still be living in Lawton, Ok. with Jesse.

As to "gunslingers" Kieth says many of them used the cap and ball revolvers long after the SAA became available, or even if they used conversion cylinders they carried percussion cylinders for all the times and places that cartridges weren't available.

 

[TFoley]

I've read through this thread with great interest. As a young boy I wore my Davy Crockett hat with great pride, panache and élan, and I certainly saw him die often enough in the Walt Disney movie that I watched many times. I have no doubt that he died in reality, just as Jim Bowie died, and all the others died, especially after Santa Anna's troops had drummed out the 'no quarter' drum roll'.

Asking IF he really died it rather like asking did Nelson really die at Trafalgar, or Woolfe at Quebec, or even Richard at Bosworth Field. We accept it as a well-established historical fact.

 

[Brazos John]

A previous comment mentioned the Crockett's coming to Texas.​

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Davy Crockett's Family​

Davy Crockett's Family Settled in Granbury​

Davy Crockett's widow, Elizabeth, and his son, Robert settled in what is now Hood County, in the 1850's.

They built two small log cabins near the early frontier settlement of Acton.

The foundation of one of the Crockett's cabins is now beneath an old rock ranch house and it features an escape tunnel to a nearby creek bed. The tunnel was used to hide from Indians.

The site of Elizabeth's cabin is marked by a Texas Centennial Marker, the first historical markers erected in Texas.

Elizabeth died in 1860 and is buried in the Acton Cemetery, the smallest state park in Texas and known as one of Acton's historical sites. A statue was erected at her grave site by the state of Texas in 1911 to honor the pioneer mother. Acton Cemetery is open to the public.

Robert became a Hood County Commissioner and his son, Ashley was Granbury's first newspaper publisher in the early 1970's.

Crockett Street in Granbury is named in honor of the Crockett family and their contributions to Hood County History.

For additional information on Legends and Lord of Granbury and reference published works visit the Granbury Visitors Center located in the east end of the City Hall building or go to www.granburytx.com.

From:
https://www.granbury.org/704/Davy-C...Settled in,early frontier settlement of Acton.

 

[Ed C.]

BUT, gun slingers were not using ML's were they?????????????.

So, what is the need for Billy the Kid in a question about Davy Crockett?

Folks with inquiring minds are waiting to hear your response.

For your inquiring mind. I'm the first person to mention Billy the Kid simply as a comparison that demonstrates how convincing a story may sound until conflicting evidence is brought forth. Sorry (not) you find it so offensive and do not have the ability to simply ignore it and move on.

 

[tenngun]

How quickly a thread can go from Davy, David Crockett to Billy the Kid and Bushy Bull.
Close this thread

I’m thinking Billy was in the op

 

[tenngun]

Well one thing of note. When did the Davy of Alabama die?
David was in his fifties in 1836. Now lots of folk from that time lived well in to their eighties, but so many died in thier fifties and sixties.
I’m a nurse and see so many in their sixties, and fifties developing life threatening conditions, even very healthy.
Conditions that killed in the middle nineteenth century.
If David survived and got a land grant in Alabama how long is he likely to have lived?
Can we match any dates to Davy of Alabama

 

[Johnny Too-Tall]

I’m thinking Billy was in the op

No sir I did not mention anyone not related to the Crockett question in my original post- but the subject of more modern gunslinger provides a different comparison to original post. So it is somewhat beneficial to support the Crockett question. Thanks to all who commented

 

[Paladin357]

I remember a few years ago De La Pena's diary was studied to try and confirm its authenticity. Testing showed that the paper (of a few different types) was correct for the period and that the diary is likely authentic. At this time I saw a few articles and shows talking about Crockett's demise. Unfortunately I don't have sources, but here's what I recall:

As said earlier in the thread, Pena says David Crockett was one of the few fighters captured alive, but when they were presented to Santa Ana, the general had them executed because he had called for no quarter.

On the other hand, we have Susanna Dickinson's account that she'd seen Crockett's body before leaving the Alamo. She and a few other women had remained within the fort after Santa Ana allowed the women and children to leave sometime earlier in the siege. After the final battle, this group was taken to Santa Ana and eventually released.

Of the two accounts, I'd be more inclined to trust Dickinson's word, since she'd actually have known Crockett personally. As someone said, De la Pena may have BELIEVED Crockett was captured, but that doesn't mean it was actually true. One of the prisoners may have lying in an attempt to save himself. But ultimately, who knows?

 

[Ed C.]

No sir I did not mention anyone not related to the Crockett question in my original post- but the subject of more modern gunslinger provides a different comparison to original post. So it is somewhat beneficial to support the Crockett question. Thanks to all who commented

I apologize to you for disrupting a very interesting and worthy subject. Simply meant to bring up a parallel event and had no idea it would be viewed as so toxic.