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Swampman said:
Cheap guns can be discouraging. If his primary goal is to kill deer then the inline will do that if he can do his part.

I'd say a Lyman GPR flintlock will do the job if the he can do his part. It seems to me that his friends probably ragged on him and his flinter for not getting the deer. I know I have been put down for hunting traditionally. It certainly can be discouraging to a newbie.
 
Some people always want to blame their problems on anything but themselves. Sounds like a Yankee.
 
My bet is it is due to peer pressure and...this idiotic craze that seems to be present no matter what the object...gotta be the latest and the best, never mind that for a couple of hundred years folks used things such as traditional bp guns and were able to do just fine. America has a new God. It is called marketing. Just listen to any conversation between most folks that are under 50 years old.
 
Yeah Swampman, you're right, but expensive flintlocks can be problematic also. Isn't that part of the fun of hunting with them? It is for me anyhow. You can do everything right and the gun not go off due to any number of things. A friend and I with at least 80 years of roundball muzzleloading experience between us have a story that is way more fun to tell than any or all the deer we've killed. He was hunting with a smooth bore flinter and I was using a .62 caliber flintlock rifle. We were side by side, and had a buck standing broadside at 30 yards. He was well into rut, and more interested in if we wanted to fight or have sex than he was running away. The buck was in Gary's smoothbore range, so I let him shoot first. His gun klatches, he reprimes and it klatches again. This happens again, and he knaps his flint. I'm keeping the buck covered, because if he is starting to leave, I'm going to kill him. Gary klatches two more times and decides to change his flint. The buck is still standing there. So when I see Gary changing flints I decide to go ahead and hang my tag on the buck. My gun klatches. Gary is changing flints, I'm repriming, Gary isn't done, so I try again and klatch. By now the buck is really disgusted and walks off up the hill, and stops one more time, still in range of my rifle. I'm reprimed and ready, draw a bead, and klatch, sisssssss, boom. Clean miss, I was taking the rifle off my shoulder when it went off, and the buck leaves for other parts. Why did those guns do that? I don't know. When it did go off, why did it hang fire, it never does that. There was probably more moisture in the air that day than we realized and that had something to do with it, but I don't know that for sure. At the time there was 75 to 80 years of flintlock experience involved. On my part I had a new flint that was making lots of sparks in a modern high dollar rifle. The dang rifle goes off ever after that without a problem, and it fired before that over and over without a problem. Gary was shooting an original that I'd killed a buck with in a previous season, and he went on to kill bucks and an elk with it later. I think an old German saying applies to this. "Alle Kunst ist umsunst wenn ein Engel auf das Zundloch burnzt", which translates something like this: "All skill is in vain when an angel wets in the touch hole of your musket." Needless to say, if all I wanted was a dead deer, then an inline would have done the job as would have any other modern rifle. But to me not getting that buck has been way more fun. That deer would have been eaten up and forgotten long ago, but now I've told this story yet one more time and relieved it all again. Or how about the time I set the front trigger and blew a hole in the sky and got to watch one of the best bucks I've ever had in ML range trot off. There was probably a little buck fever involved with that one. All of this is just part of hunting with a flintlock, which I have been doing sense around 1975 when I got rid of my cap lock and got a flinter. Nope, I don't have to make meat to have a successful hunt. At 68 just another day in the woods with my health means a lot, and if the good Lord wants me to eat deer meat, then that's a bonus. This year I tagged a buck using a sinew backed long bow which is a first for me.
 
Great story, cowhand.

Flinch, your friend just needs a chance to sort things out and get to the bottom of his problem. A flinter takes more brains and skill to operate reliably than a caplock. Likewise, an iron sighted caplock takes a bit more skill to operate than a scope sighted inline. If the guy is new to deer hunting, a flinter might just be too much for him. Under the pressure of the moment, the added demands/distraction of the flinter may cause him to overlook basic things like trees and marksmanship skills...or it may be that he'd overlook these things whatever he was shooting.

In any case, he needs to get to the bottom of it and if a comparatively simple (to shoot) gun like a scope sighted inline helps him do it, then great. If the problems disappear with the inline and he gets his deer; fine he's reached his goal and determined that, for now anyway, the flinter's are beyond him. If he still can't get his deer, even with the latest, greatest, most ballyhooed inline; then he knows the problem lies elsewhere and may begin to address it.

If a guy's good at punching holes in paper, especially if he's good at shooting offhand, it's hard for him to admit that he has a marksmanship problem. It's not readily apparent to the newbie that practiced skills can take flight when the stress of shooting an animal arises.

Your friend is just trying to solve his problem by process of elimination and that's not a bad approach. Thanks either to his hunting buddies or some thoughts of his own, the flinters seem to him to be the most likely cause. Only thing different I'd do is put the flinters away until I'd grown into them rather than sell them.
Bob
 
Bountyhunter said:
Some people always want to blame their problems on anything but themselves. Sounds like a Yankee.

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

That one is so funny when you consider the irony that it should be a bumper sticker. Yep. It's us Yankees that are to blame for all your woes. :rotf:
 
Stumpkiller said:
Bountyhunter said:
Some people always want to blame their problems on anything but themselves. Sounds like a Yankee.

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

That one is so funny when you consider the irony that it should be a bumper sticker. Yep. It's us Yankees that are to blame for all your woes. :rotf:

:rotf: :rotf:
Not laughing at you bountyhunter, laughing with you...you'll have to admit, you sort of stepped into a meadow muffin with that statement.
:rotf: :rotf:
 
So are you discouraged or is it your freind? Let others hunt with what they want and I'll use what I want. Wrong or right inlines and compounds will not go away.
 
I'd cry, then I'd make it part of the sales contract that I git the right of first refusal on any traditional rifle I sell to anyone else. :v
 
roy, I guess I was a little discouraged, I will get over it though. you are right about the inlines and compounds not going away. I do think these guys are missing out though. I don't even try to explain why I use a flintlock, they would not get it. In their mind it's all about filling their tag and bragging rights. flinch
 
Not to worry, everyone.. well most everyone here knows why you prefer the finter. :grin: :thumbsup:
 
I would take my friend out to the range and then take him out on a traditional hunt so that he can see the entire process. From there, what he chooses is his business, but at least it is an informed one.

CS
 
my coworker took a shot at a moving deer and hit a tree, thought he would have got the deer if not using the flintlock.

They makin inlines that shoot around trees now?
 
he actually went inline crazy, bought an inline during deer season, now he is gonna get a thompson center omega. oh, he also missed a deer with the inline. I ended up with the deerstalker, traded a traditions kentucky pistol for it. as soon as the classifieds open I am gonna trade it or sell it. nice gun, but just not for me. flinch
 
I agree. Try telling that to the inline crowd around here, or as a friend calls them , missplaced shotgun hunters. flinch
 
Well lads,

I'm under the strong impression that all of these inline wonderguns were built so the normal cartridge hunters could extend his hunting season... thanks to all the hard work that the old time black powder hunters put into working with local Fish and Games to create a season so they could use their front stuffers in years past...

The quickest way to get those yahoos out of the woods is to once again work with Fish and Game in each of our states to get the firearm requirements rewritten to only allow traditional black powder rifles and smoothbores.

If those "wondergun" hunters are out there to bond with a black powder hunt, they should be able to make the switch to a wooden stocked, iron sighted sidelock or under hammer. If not... then they really weren't black powder shooters to begin with... Those extend hunts were created aound the whole idea that it is hard to havest game with a black powder firearm, that it does take skill, and that a limited number of Bucks would be havested... reasons the "wonderguns" negate.

Heck I used to carry my ML during the standard deer season in Oregon in the 1970's as I did not see the point in carrying a modern rife I never shot.

Just my two cents...

Cheers,

David Teague
 

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