Dutch, I don't know if you'll be able to read all this poop from Lenox but it gives a fair breakdown of what their products are and do, including the NFPA codes. I've not used them before but perhaps some of our posters have and can comment further.
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WesTex,
When I originally had a complete System that gave me delightful accuracy I was using (sparingly} water soluble oil.
I told folks to get the cutting oil from Napa Auto parts and we all were happy.
Then an attack of progress caused just about all cutting oil folks to switch to an apparent non-oil based liquid that worked well in machine shops but not in our ML Rifles.
A gentleman in one of he Carolinas discovered hatBallistol was a good work around and again we were all happy.
Now Egwelder fom Newfoundland tells me he is getting one inch groups at 50 yards with his .32 rifle using the Lenox brand of water-soluble oil.
Hey, we can now go back to the original formula just like the olden days.
But do we need to? Not if you are happy with the Ballistol.
It's just an original option that has come back if we think we need it.
There are other substitutions for some things hat might work just swell but why confuse every body with them when it's been hard enough getting acosss the current items.
Afraid I might have added unnecessary confusion.
Dutch Schoultz
When I originally had a complete System that gave me delightful accuracy I was using (sparingly} water soluble oil.
I told folks to get the cutting oil from Napa Auto parts and we all were happy.
Then an attack of progress caused just about all cutting oil folks to switch to an apparent non-oil based liquid that worked well in machine shops but not in our ML Rifles.
A gentleman in one of he Carolinas discovered hatBallistol was a good work around and again we were all happy.
Now Egwelder fom Newfoundland tells me he is getting one inch groups at 50 yards with his .32 rifle using the Lenox brand of water-soluble oil.
Hey, we can now go back to the original formula just like the olden days.
But do we need to? Not if you are happy with the Ballistol.
It's just an original option that has come back if we think we need it.
There are other substitutions for some things hat might work just swell but why confuse every body with them when it's been hard enough getting acosss the current items.
Afraid I might have added unnecessary confusion.
Dutch Schoultz
EGWeelder.
I can sort of visualize your bipod. Could you send us a picture/
I don't know how to attach pictures but a lot you fols do.
I would be afraid an additional piece of equipment might get in the way during a period usually a bit jumpy with excitement.
Dutch
I can sort of visualize your bipod. Could you send us a picture/
I don't know how to attach pictures but a lot you fols do.
I would be afraid an additional piece of equipment might get in the way during a period usually a bit jumpy with excitement.
Dutch
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I certainly will. I`ll dig it up in the next day or so and post it up. it`s nothing special, but really handy when you are sitting in the woods and the squirrels and rabbits are coming to you. I have not used it for big game hunting yet.
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the .32 took about 100 shots to dial in. I`m not complaining, love shooting so it was fun. the whole process was enjoyable, and my boy likes an accurate rifle as well. says inaccurate rifles are no fun. he was 9 at the time I was going thru the process with that rifle, and he actually took an interest in how all the variable affected each shot. it beats out the IPad for a change.
For any number of years I have spent time withaRetired Gov't agent whose approach to shooting is totally different. Would never consider shooting at distances further than 30 feet.. Target would be center of mass Automatics [istols only
He feels that the practice of getting set up in a tree all camouflaged i greatly unfair. He feels stalking on the ground is more fair than the tree perch ambush. .
I have never asked him what he felt would be really fair and I guess itt would be if the deer ould shoot back.
He has a great interest i what happens when the projectile hits the target. There are some really nasty modern projectiles out there. A lead round ball seems relatively polite when compared some of this new products.
I guess all his potential shooting situations involved the strong possibility of someone shooting back.
Iy's a whole different thing.
Dutch
He feels that the practice of getting set up in a tree all camouflaged i greatly unfair. He feels stalking on the ground is more fair than the tree perch ambush. .
I have never asked him what he felt would be really fair and I guess itt would be if the deer ould shoot back.
He has a great interest i what happens when the projectile hits the target. There are some really nasty modern projectiles out there. A lead round ball seems relatively polite when compared some of this new products.
I guess all his potential shooting situations involved the strong possibility of someone shooting back.
Iy's a whole different thing.
Dutch
This is greatly off the wall .
About 15 years ago a gentleman who apparently spent a great amount of time in the woods wrote me a 4 or 5 page letter relating a discovery he had made about deer.
Apparently their vision iss about as sharp as mine is now because when he would stumble into clearing where a deer was standing he noticed if he hadn't too great a noise, the deer would paw the ground a few times before taking off.
After a few of these rather quiet events he decided there was some significance in the pawing so when it happened again he did some pawing and the deer accepted his presence and went back to grazing..
Go figure.
I have no idea if this was true or not. He seemed sincere as he went to great length o tell me his story.
I pass it on to any Deer Whisperers out there.
I have also heard from a couple who dwelled in OHIO . a very rural section who were in fairly drequebt contact with both male and female Big Foot or would that be Big Feet?
Dutch
About 15 years ago a gentleman who apparently spent a great amount of time in the woods wrote me a 4 or 5 page letter relating a discovery he had made about deer.
Apparently their vision iss about as sharp as mine is now because when he would stumble into clearing where a deer was standing he noticed if he hadn't too great a noise, the deer would paw the ground a few times before taking off.
After a few of these rather quiet events he decided there was some significance in the pawing so when it happened again he did some pawing and the deer accepted his presence and went back to grazing..
Go figure.
I have no idea if this was true or not. He seemed sincere as he went to great length o tell me his story.
I pass it on to any Deer Whisperers out there.
I have also heard from a couple who dwelled in OHIO . a very rural section who were in fairly drequebt contact with both male and female Big Foot or would that be Big Feet?
Dutch
If you move slowly as molasses in winter, it's possible to get very close. My 'hunting uncle' taught me how to stalk them close enough to toss a pinecone...now the reaction is a riot! Noah Smithwick had a marvelous story of a Tonkawa hunter who provided meat to settlers. Briefly the man told a client he stalked deer and when they looked up he'd freeze and the deer thought "Maybe Injun, maybe stump". When she asked about providing turkey he told her that when a turkey looked up it was "Injun by God" and gone. Been my experience. For as smart as wild turkeys are, domestic ones are dumber than stumps! :wink: :haha:
When I was hunting elk some years back, I had a bull tag. I was standing there and saw a small herd coming my way single file down a trail. I just stood there hoping I would see a bull at the end but there was none. I decided to see how long I could go unnoticed. I just stood still and they kept coming toward me. When the got close enough I could almost touch them, I moved my arm and that's when they saw me and they bolted.
Missouri Bullet Company offers flat rate shipping, $14.00 for 65 pounds, which works out to 2000 bullets for all bullets weighing less than 240 grains.
Their selection of RB is very limited, from what I see, but if they have what you need....
Richard/Grumpa
Their selection of RB is very limited, from what I see, but if they have what you need....
Richard/Grumpa
Thank You Grumpa,
I think MO Bullets is more into elongated bullets and not so much round ball
The odd sizes of round balls are a puzzle to me.
There was a guy some years ago in Missouri that produced excellent round balls produced by young men who were otherwise handicapped in various ways.
Do Gooders put a stop to that as they felt he was taking advantage of these young men and left them with no income whatever.
They were all cast balls, not swaged.
Dutch
I think MO Bullets is more into elongated bullets and not so much round ball
The odd sizes of round balls are a puzzle to me.
There was a guy some years ago in Missouri that produced excellent round balls produced by young men who were otherwise handicapped in various ways.
Do Gooders put a stop to that as they felt he was taking advantage of these young men and left them with no income whatever.
They were all cast balls, not swaged.
Dutch
Wesley.
What does DGW stand for?
Dutch
What does DGW stand for?
Dutch
Wes,
Many years ago I drove to Dixie G W and bought a Japanese copy of a 1863 Springfiels rifle. which was an amazingly accurate copy of an original 18 63 Sprinfield I owned. All parts Interchangeable. I have given both to a gentlemen
who used in some National ML Team activity that required original rifles.. He has since nagged in some acrobatic with a RotoTuller that cost him a leg and has hampered his shooting activities.
I had a high regard for Dixie Gun Works when operating under the original founder but felta certain downgrading when it was taken over by his son or others. I haven't really spent any time considering it for some decades and hope it has bask to its old standards.
Their catalog came out annually and was quite an education in itself.
As most of my subscribers know I tended to make all my own accessories From ram rods to leather powder flasks.
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It's all fun Or I should say It all was fun.
If there is something you want to do, do it if at all possible. As old F__Ts continually say. You don't regret the things you did. you regret the things you didn't do.
I'm not a memorizer of stuff but there is one old quote that stuck with me over the years:
On th plains of hesitation
Bleach the bones of countless millions
Who, at the dawn of Victory
Sat down to wait, and waiting, died
Unless of, course, you're married.
But you might get permission/
Dutch
Many years ago I drove to Dixie G W and bought a Japanese copy of a 1863 Springfiels rifle. which was an amazingly accurate copy of an original 18 63 Sprinfield I owned. All parts Interchangeable. I have given both to a gentlemen
who used in some National ML Team activity that required original rifles.. He has since nagged in some acrobatic with a RotoTuller that cost him a leg and has hampered his shooting activities.
I had a high regard for Dixie Gun Works when operating under the original founder but felta certain downgrading when it was taken over by his son or others. I haven't really spent any time considering it for some decades and hope it has bask to its old standards.
Their catalog came out annually and was quite an education in itself.
As most of my subscribers know I tended to make all my own accessories From ram rods to leather powder flasks.
.
It's all fun Or I should say It all was fun.
If there is something you want to do, do it if at all possible. As old F__Ts continually say. You don't regret the things you did. you regret the things you didn't do.
I'm not a memorizer of stuff but there is one old quote that stuck with me over the years:
On th plains of hesitation
Bleach the bones of countless millions
Who, at the dawn of Victory
Sat down to wait, and waiting, died
Unless of, course, you're married.
But you might get permission/
Dutch
Amen brother! :thumbsup: Turner Kirkland was indeed a great guy and quite a character. I don't think DGW ever quite was the same after he passed away. They're still good for a lot of things but it's just not the same feeling as it used to have...just my opinion. Sorry to hear about your friend. Those Roto-Tillers can get you in a hurry. Know two guys who ended up on the short end of a disagreement with them!
My late wife was a keeper and let me wander off in the weeds and bushes to play Davy Crockett. I was smart enough to ask and that dear lady seldom ever said no! :wink:
My late wife was a keeper and let me wander off in the weeds and bushes to play Davy Crockett. I was smart enough to ask and that dear lady seldom ever said no! :wink:
I keep seeing the heading
"Dutch's System Works"
This in reference to my few discoveries and a lump of logic.
It does refer to my own personal System.
After a heart attack you survived you will have some chest pains . They could signal another major event or just some pains called angina.
So when you wake up with chest pains you decide if this is the big final HONK or is it just Angina.
I am betting my current experience is angina, If I;m wrong it's been good to know you all.
When you read Old age is not for sissies I think this is what they are talking about..
I have yet to educate my son or daughter on how to carry on the campaign.
Dutch
"Dutch's System Works"
This in reference to my few discoveries and a lump of logic.
It does refer to my own personal System.
After a heart attack you survived you will have some chest pains . They could signal another major event or just some pains called angina.
So when you wake up with chest pains you decide if this is the big final HONK or is it just Angina.
I am betting my current experience is angina, If I;m wrong it's been good to know you all.
When you read Old age is not for sissies I think this is what they are talking about..
I have yet to educate my son or daughter on how to carry on the campaign.
Dutch
It must be Angina because it's till going on and, 6 hours or so later, so am I.
Life has become an adventure.
Take care of yourselves.
Dutch
Life has become an adventure.
Take care of yourselves.
Dutch
Hang in there Dutch, I bought you "system" back in 2002 when I started shooting ML. Learned about you from the old Muzzeloading Mailing List that "Old Fox" ran. I learned so much from your stuff and that list.
Keep going best you can, still so many need to learn from you.
Jim
Keep going best you can, still so many need to learn from you.
Jim
