FOR SALE Early 45 Cal Great Plains Rifle

[Frontier's]

Which begs the question: "Why do some folks Poo-Poo the the Investarms Hawkens?"

Lack of knowing who built the lyman brand guns lol.

 

[UndeadPoet]

Lack of knowing who built the lyman brand guns lol.

Investarms is still making the exact same rifle as the .50 and .54 GPR, they just now call it the Gemmer Hawken.

 

[Daniel Getz]

I think it is a very nice rifle and would be proud to have it in my safe, if I could find room..... sorry Dryball, no intent to hijack your for sale thread, good luck with the sale!

 

[Dryball]

I don't think Lyman made any investarms rifles, I believe investarms made them for Lyman, and cabelas, and this wischo company. I could be wrong but I have spoken to the guy that started Branson arms, and basically back then you could approach most Italian makers and have your name put on the barrels

Sorry...I've just always used Lyman and investarms interchangeably

 

[brazosland]

What the twist? And is the rifling set up for ball or bullet?

 

[Dryball]

How much does it weigh?

Don't have much of a scale but a little over 9 lbs

 

[Dryball]

Barrel Specs - typical GPR,. 15/16 X 32.

The real surprise is I just assumed the twist was 1:60 like my others. Decided to measure and it's actually 1:48.

 

[Frontier's]

1:48 would be correct for the 45cal

 

[FishDFly]

Don't have much of a scale but a little over 9 lbs

Thank you.

 

[azmntman]

My Investarms (listed here as well) are both 48 twist I believe. Same as Lyman but more obnoxious imprints on barrel, be a great one to DEFARB. GPR are mostly 66 twist I believe so not exact. My most accurate rb rifle is a CVA so the less expensive guns of yesteryear and not junk at all.

 

[Griz44Mag]

Which begs the question: "Why do some folks Poo-Poo the the Investarms Hawkens?"

Because they drink tea from a small cup with their little finger held into the air.....
The InvestArms rifles I have are top notch.
Somebody buy this before I get too weak to resist.
That a nice gun with a very nice grained stock.

 

[gunslinger922]

Barrel Specs - typical GPR,. 15/16 X 32.

The real surprise is I just assumed the twist was 1:60 like my others. Decided to measure and it's actually 1:48.

With the 1:48 twist, will this rifle be most accurate with round balls or conicals

 

[frankie]

Because they drink tea from a small cup with their little finger held into the air.....
The InvestArms rifles I have are top notch.
Somebody buy this before I get too weak to resist.
That a nice gun with a very nice grained stock.

go get em Griz

 

[Dryball]

With the 1:48 twist, will this rifle be most accurate with round balls or conicals

Round ball

 

[azmntman]

or conical

 

[Notchy Bob]

With the 1:48 twist, will this rifle be most accurate with round balls or conicals

I think that might depend on the depth of the grooves. Shallower for conicals, deeper for patched balls. Rate of twist is just one factor.

@Frontier's is spot-on. 1:48 is perfect for a .45 caliber patched round ball. Just looking at photo #6 in Dryball's first post, I would say those grooves look nice and deep. I think this rifle would be primarily a round-ball shooter.

@Dryball , has the front sight been modified on this rifle, or is that just a reflection showing in the photo?

Thanks,

Notchy Bob

 

[Dryball]

I think that might depend on the depth of the grooves. Shallower for conicals, deeper for patched balls. Rate of twist is just one factor.

@Frontier's is spot-on. 1:48 is perfect for a .45 caliber patched round ball. Just looking at photo #6 in Dryball's first post, I would say those grooves look nice and deep. I think this rifle would be primarily a round-ball shooter.

@Dryball , has the front sight been modified on this rifle, or is that just a reflection showing in the photo?

Thanks,

Notchy Bob

Standard Lyman front sight but previous owner may have taken it down a little.

He also filed the "horns" off the rear sight so it's flat along the top.

 

[frankie]

I think that might depend on the depth of the grooves. Shallower for conicals, deeper for patched balls. Rate of twist is just one factor.

@Frontier's is spot-on. 1:48 is perfect for a .45 caliber patched round ball. Just looking at photo #6 in Dryball's first post, I would say those grooves look nice and deep. I think this rifle would be primarily a round-ball shooter.

@Dryball , has the front sight been modified on this rifle, or is that just a reflection showing in the photo?

Thanks,

Notchy Bob

I didnt know that about the grooves.

 

[johnfrommd]

I don't think Lyman made any investarms rifles, I believe investarms made them for Lyman, and cabelas, and this wischo company. I could be wrong but I have spoken to the guy that started Branson arms, and basically back then you could approach most Italian makers and have your name put on the barrels

I believe you are correct in that Investarms made the rifles for Lyman. Investarms also made the early Thompson Center Hawken rifles also.

 

[Prairieofthedog]

I believe you are correct in that Investarms made the rifles for Lyman. Investarms also made the early Thompson Center Hawken rifles also.

No, they did not make early TC's,they basically just copied them.