Enough is Enough

[Zonie]

Stumpkiller and I never received a cent for moderating this site.

The only benefit we get is, we have the Premium Members status without needing to pay for it.

 

[Scipio]

Zonie:

Rog -- I hear some are paid but didn't know about you guys. Wouldn't bug me if you were.

Scipio

 

[azmntman]

They should be :hmm:

 

[Rifleman1776]

I got to say I don’t understand the whole lead box thing, I’ve sure seen some comments that were not very nice, I may even have posted some. However I doubt if anyone ever tried being ugly. In a short post it just comes off that way.
There is a member who seems to take some opposite views on things then I do. And we have posted and conter posted on topices before, but he is the first guy I would ask advice from or point a newbie to as a resource. Electric campfires suffer when compared to the real thing.

For me, opposite views are not a problem. Without them we wouldn't have much to talk about. Shortly after joining I almost quit because one member was downright nasty in his comments to and about other members. I didn't come here to catch a bad case of depression. Then I discovered the lead box, put him in it and told him why. His response was child like "---- you". I left him there and life on the forum has been happy ever since. He is the only one I have ever felt the need to censor.

 

[In Over My Head]

I am amazed by this thread. I've spent a lot of time on a lot of firearms forums and I find this one to be very inoffensive.

There are a couple of pretty cantankerous folks on here but they aren't really rude about it. And, as is a common occurrence among older men, there are a few grumps but that just goes with the territory.

I followed Zonie's thread reference and read and reread it but I don't get what ticked off Feltwad. He had to know he was advocating a practice often considered unsporting and downright illegal in many areas. There are some things a person ought to not bring up if they are going to be thin-skinned about the responses. And even if he did get a couple of pokes over it, he was not disparaged, name-called or etc. A little snide, dark humor in responding to his shooting into nests but nothing that seemed intended to truly hurt his feelings. Maybe he was having a bad day?

The internet is a difficult conversational medium as has been repeatedly noted. Not only does it lack the benefit of inflection and facial expressions, it lacks the short-length back and forth feedback of normal conversation so that a comment that is going off track goes too far before getting dissonant feedback.

Toss in the widely varied regional cultures represented here and there is a grand stage for misunderstanding. I was raised in the city but escaped to a rural lifestyle for many years until Jimmy Carter's recession drove me nearer to the city again. I quickly learned that the fabric of conversation varied greatly between the two cultures. City conversation is typically fast-paced, brusque and edgy. Rural conversation is far more polite, slower paced and more detailed. Such disparate manners of communicating easily lead to misunderstood intentions, especially in the difficult medium of internet conversation.

Why say all that? Because if we enjoy a forum like this for the depth of information, experience and diverse outlooks that it brings together we should adapt our speech to the limitations of the medium and the varied audience and we should be less thin-skinned if something strikes us as offensive unless it is truly, overtly offensive.

One last thought. I stopped using a "handle" on internet forums many years ago. I only reverted to being In Over My Head on muzzleloading forums because it was such a common practice and added color to this colorful culture. The anonymity of "handles" sometimes seems to aggravate the incivility on some forums. I took the risk on these forums because they seemed inherently more civil than most firearms forums, but I still believe that if we would all put our real names to our posts we might sometimes think twice about how we are speaking to each other.

 

[necchi]

Have you considered running for Political office?
You should.

 

[apachesx2]

Interesting and in depth college level insight of urban vs rural on this site... However, I challenge this site is much more complex than culture differences just within the United States... I am a fairly new member to this but have already noticed active participation from England, Belgium, Hungry, and Germany (there are others but they eluding at this time, but I am over 50)... Over the years I've held hunting licenses in 9 states from Texas throughout the South to Pennsylvania plus a German Hunting license for 9 years and hunted throughout Europe... I could be on here for weeks trying to explain all differences... In general, Europeans are horrified at our lack understanding of respecting the natural order of nature... Group of game comes through the they start with the babies then mamma after all children are gone... They also cull the weak, diseased, and substandard trophies... They also take as much or more game in a day than we take in a season and there are reasons for this... We think they are unethical and they think we are inhumane... But the reality is I find when various cultures come together and participate in each others hunting practices they are very respectful of the others and have a better understanding of the differences and at times they can be profound... Just our own history of hunting acceptable methods have evolved greatly in the last 300 years... We no longer light forest fires to drive game... We have vastly different backgrounds and should understand there are logical reasons for our varied opinions which may not be apparent from our perspective on the internet...

 

[mooman76]

I followed Zonie's thread reference and read and reread it but I don't get what ticked off Feltwad. He had to know he was advocating a practice often considered unsporting and downright illegal in many areas. There are some things a person ought to not bring up if they are going to be thin-skinned about the responses. And even if he did get a couple of pokes over it, he was not disparaged, name-called or etc. A little snide, dark humor in responding to his shooting into nests but nothing that seemed intended to truly hurt his feelings. Maybe he was having a bad day?

I read the entire thread twice and I didn't see anything offensive either.

 

[tenngun]

Forest fires to drive game, it’s hard to imagine when that was done. So much game and they thought it would never run out. I have never hunted the big buck. I like deer meat and shoot the first anamal I can, in a choice of two I take the closest. So I understand the European model also.

 

[apachesx2]

Actually Spence10 quoted in another part of this form the Dividing Line betwixt Virginia and North Carolina_, Wm. Byrd, 1729.

"In a Dearth of Provisions our Chaplin pronounc’d it lawful to make bold with the Sabbath, and send a Party out a-Hunting. They fired the dry eaves in a Ring of five Miles circumference, which, burning inwards, drove all the Game to the Centre, where they were easily killed”¦.This unmerciful Sport is called Fire Hunting, and is much practiced by the Indians and Frontier Inhabitants, who sometimes, in the Eagerness of their Diversion, are Punish’t for their cruelty, and are hurt by one another when they Shoot across at the deer which are in the middle”¦.Our Hunters massacred two Brace of Deer after this unfair way, of which they brought us one Brace whole, and only the Primings of the rest."

And by read various Indian history I believe the Iroquois made a power move in the 1600's due to capitalize on the French Indian Trading to down into Ohio and the Northern "Kentuck" from Canada by expanding their hunting grounds for beaver and deer... Game continued to drop in the 1600 and 1700s East of the Mississippi and one of the reasons long rifle calibers tended drop in size after the revolution and didn't start to go back up until we started to push into the Rockies....

Also back at that time we also employed many other methods that aren't exceptable today...

 

[azmntman]

Forest fires to drive game, it’s hard to imagine when that was done. So much game and they thought it would never run out. I have never hunted the big buck. I like deer meat and shoot the first anamal I can, in a choice of two I take the closest. So I understand the European model also.

:metoo: I have been ridiculed big time for shooting a 3 pt out from in front of a six point. "why the heck you shoot the little one?"

"Cuz he was closer" :grin: Sure hit, easy drag better meat

 

[dodger]

I followed Zonie's thread reference and read and reread it but I don't get what ticked off Feltwad. He had to know he was advocating a practice often considered unsporting and downright illegal in many areas. There are some things a person ought to not bring up if they are going to be thin-skinned about the responses. And even if he did get a couple of pokes over it, he was not disparaged, name-called or etc. A little snide, dark humor in responding to his shooting into nests but nothing that seemed intended to truly hurt his feelings. Maybe he was having a bad day?

I read the entire thread twice and I didn't see anything offensive either.

Well this isn't the whole story , the spat between the two Britons has been going on for a while .
In fact I was denigrated [ in another thread ]by the leaver for simply trying to explain something very simple but the answer or perhaps my viewpoint was not to his liking or was injurous to his perceived superiority.
It was upsetting at first and somewhat insulting but eventually the red mist abated - and what does it matter anyway ? Merely an attack by a heroic keyboard warrior who I will never meet [ or know his name ] many thousands of miles away fighting a epic battle that is important only to himself.
My view and this applies to the leaver and indeed to all of us is - " if you can't take it , then don't dish it out ".

Moderators have a job to do , but I suspect they have less work to do on this forum than others .

As regards moderating posts , I prefer that any post of mine is removed altogether rather than be altered by the moderator. Sometimes a small alteration can change the whole meaning of a post.

Enjoy your shooting ,wherever you are .

 

[Stumpkiller]

"Moderators have a job to do, but I suspect they have less work to do on this forum than others."

You are fortunate to have found a site that encourages ALL of the Bill of Rights. Zonie may disagree but yes, this is an easy watch.

That, and from what I can tell this group is a great bunch. Some I know I'd rather share a camp with than others but most I'd try to fish out of a frozen lake if they broke through. Eventually.

I belong to other [unrelated] forums that members are unbridled and go WAY outside decency and there are some really rude posts between members. Entertaining I guess for some but it doesn't get the theme of the forum out "there" in a good light.

Hint: generally I let things blow out on their own unless I get reported posts.

 

[tenngun]

It wasn’t just whites setting fires, plains Indians commonly used the practice. Also drove heard over cliffs, killing far more then they could process.
I think it was Ruxton who wrote about picking the worse cow buffalo in a herd since “it was a shame to kill a big anamal just for two men’s dinner”.
I think it was the Cheyenne that had the story of the gift of buffalo, but running the risk of losing the gift of sympathy was shown to the game. A woman saw a orphan calf and said “oh the poor calf’ only to see the herd disappear. Only through a long list of ceremonies was the herd returned.
Sympathy and fair play existed with the same people that burned the land.
Knowing it was done still makes it hard to imagine.

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

I think some of the "smilies" on this board can get really annoying. Ones like this: :rotf: and: :youcrazy: can just project negativity and get in the way of good conversation.

Instead of talking it out, let's just use :rotf: to digitally laugh at someone or something without any context etc.

 

[Kansas Jake]

Burning the land still exists in the Flint Hills of Kansas. The Native people understood burning in the Spring brought fresh grass to attract buffalo and kill less desirable plants. Pastures here are still burnt almost every Spring.

 

[tenngun]

That’s a trueism too. Indians did practice several game management ideas. They even set seasons and closed areas to hunting at particular times.
In the east they cleared meadows as feeding areas. So many of the eastern ”˜plains’ areas were these cleared areas.
It’s certainly not a black-white issue.