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C Barker

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For those who shoot a fouling shot, how much powder do you use in relation to your normal load, do you swab the barrel as usual or not at all, do you fire off a regular load as the fouling shot before "getting down to business?" :confused: :idunno:
 
Sometimes when shooting a match I'll fire a fouling shot. When I do it's my regular load.
I don't clean between shots so don't clean then.
I've never observed that there was any difference between the 1st and 2nd shots but still do it sometime.
Deadeye
 
With my Harper's Ferry there is a difference between the fouling shot & the ones that follow. Interesting to note that as the years have gone by and the barrel has become broken in (manymany rounds), the difference between the fouling shot and the others has become noticeably less. If you intend to swab between shots than do so after the Fouling Shot; if not, then don't. I always fire a regular load for Fouling.

E
 
never I only site in from a cold clean barrel every shoteven with modern fire arms
 
We have a "cold barrel" match every month. $0.25 entry, one shot on a bull at about 50 yards off hand. Winner gets the quarters.

I wipe between shots.

TC
 
"do you fire off a regular load as the fouling shot before "getting down to business?",,"

Yup, that's what I do. Some guy's get all bent about hunting and the smell of a fouled bore,,piffle,,that smell ain't no different than all the other human smells we bring in the woods.
 
Im curious, why a fouling shot? i can understand if it's 'part of your system' at the range, but before a day hunting? What about its hygroscopic properties?
 
bowyer said:
Im curious, why a fouling shot? i can understand if it's 'part of your system' at the range, but before a day hunting? What about its hygroscopic properties?
Yes, after meticulously cleaning & lubing a bore following a range trip or a hunt, the LAST thing in the world I'm going to do is INTENTIONALLY foul it before I go hunting again...and it has nothing to do with "smell".

IMO, if there's a POI difference between a clean and fouled bore that means to me the powder/patch/lube/ball load combination has somehow still not been optimized...I'd diagnose and fix it, but that's just me.

Other's mileage will vary I'm sure...
 
Alright, before this turns into some huge debate, about right or wrong.
,I have techniques that work well for me, trust me it's really too detailed for me to try to explain them in writin form to be disected and evaluated later sentance by sentance.
So I'll here by disclaim the practice of pre-fouling a bore for ANYTHING beyond a simple day at the range.
Always clean your bore immediatley after shooting or you may have trouble.
 
Wolf Eyes said:
For those who shoot a fouling shot, how much powder do you use in relation to your normal load, do you swab the barrel as usual or not at all, do you fire off a regular load as the fouling shot before "getting down to business?" :confused: :idunno:

Centerfire or muzzleloaders. I have seen "flyers" from slick and clean bores.
Personaly I like fire a shot before "getting down to biz" if for no other reason than to burn out any left over oil in the barrel.
I do swab between shots not to remove fouling so much as I always believed it was a good safety practice.
In response to the above posts concerning smell while hunting. With all the smells we bring with us into the backcountry a smelly bore is the least of my worries. Im sure the oldtimers could smell each other over a dirty bore. :haha:
 
Necchi, not challenging you at all my friend, just curious is all. Every man has his way and if it works then who's to say anything. I just know ive walked all day with a charge in my rifle and left it in overnight. With a fouled bore i would have to pull that load and clean. That's the way i am thinking, that's all. But i do understand if flyers are a challenge (or ??) by all means make your fouling shot.
best regards,
 
There's not a lot of difference between shooting from a clean barrel and one that is fouled a little. When I used to hunt, I would pop a couple of caps, load up and I was good to go. An inch or two difference on a large animal at 100 yards will still put it through the lungs.

I just shoot competition now and that small difference can translate into losing a point even at 25 yards. You want to keep the barrel in the same condition from shot to shot in target shooting. I always take a fouling shot when in paper competition. I want to put my barrel in the same state that I sighted in and practice with.
 
When I think about a Fouling Shot, I'm assuming the Context is before doing serious Range/Target Work. I don't do it before heading out Hunting. Having duly noted over time where the Fouling Shot always goes (just a smidge higher at 11 o'clock) I simply have it noted in my mind and shoot accordingly when the time comes. The difference is so small that for 99% of the shots I've taken it simply hasn't been a factor and I haven't worried about it. If I was shooting at a Woodchuck at 300 yds that would be another matter....
 
Mike2005 said:
There's not a lot of difference between shooting from a clean barrel and one that is fouled a little. When I used to hunt, I would pop a couple of caps, load up and I was good to go. An inch or two difference on a large animal at 100 yards will still put it through the lungs.

I just shoot competition now and that small difference can translate into losing a point even at 25 yards. You want to keep the barrel in the same condition from shot to shot in target shooting. I always take a fouling shot when in paper competition. I want to put my barrel in the same state that I sighted in and practice with.

+1 :thumbsup: Excellent advice! I too think that fouling is more important when hunting a paper target than a four-legged one. The deer isn't going to care whether or not the ball/slug hit 1/4" too low at 25 yards or 1/2" low at 50 yards. What could potentially lose a match still brings-home a dead deer. Since we've all shot our rifles hundreds/thousands of times prior to taking it afield, we all know where to point the thing for the ball to land on a cold bore shot, right?

Dave
 
most of us fire fouling shots at the target range or for competetion where points matter. in the deer woods or pheasant fields the game won't know the differance if a shot is a little high, low or left or right. there is always a differance in POI between a clean cold bore and a warm fouled one. for my fouling shots i just use a normal load.
 
Years ago, when I was first shooting a .45 cal. percussion rifle, I arrived somewhat late to a Demonstration my club was putting on at a local forest preserve. I was immediately demanded at the shooting range, to demonstrate splitting a playing card with a rifle ball, without getting any warm-up shots, or " fouling" shots.

I split cards with my first three shots out of the barrel. Then, took my leave, and went into camp to deposit gear and deliver messages and information to other club officers before returning to the firing line.

I have not bothered with a fouling shot since- EVER. If that second shot does not hit the same POI as my first shot, something is wrong with the rifle. I fix it, no matter how long it takes.

Since hunting is basically a One-shot deal- where you only fire two shots at the same deer if you misplace your ball and need to finish off the wounded deer with the second shot at close range, that first shot MUST hit at the same POI as the next. With any BP gun, you don't want that residue sitting in your barrel sucking up moisture and rusting the barrel while you are sitting in the woods waiting for a deer to come within range.

Take a clean barrel into the woods, and expect that first shot to go exactly where you AIM. If you have done your work in practice, you should have TOTAL confidence that your gun will perform on demand.

When I shot my first deer, I anxiously cleaned, and reloaded my rifle, and actually had the sights on the back of the neck of one of the two yearlings running with the doe I shot with the second round loaded, before deciding that I had hit the doe well, and that I would find her dead, not far down the ravine. I located the place she was standing when I shot her, and followed a double blood trail and foot prints down to the bottom of the ravine where I found her dead. I fired that second shot into a tall hickory where two vines wrapped around that tree about 50 feet up the tree created an " X ". It wasn't much of a shot, but I put a hole right in the middle of the "X". A year later, when I was back in the same area scouting for deer, I found that tree, and the scar of my hit was still quite visible.

Two shots, placed exactly where I aimed my gun. No fouling shot. No different POI for the second shot than the first.

Ergo, no need for a fouling shot.

Most hunting situation DON'T Require the same fine accuracy that competitive Target Shooting requires. Occasionally I find target shooters using fouling shots. They claim that they can see a real difference in the POI between the first two shots if they DON'T foul the barrel prior to the first shot.

IMHO, I believe their " need " for a fouling shot has more to do with how they clean the barrel between shots( or don't clean it) than anything inherently "inaccurate" about the gun. I recommend people contact Dutch Schoultz( a member here, BTW) and order his BlackPowderRifleAccuracy System for $19.95. If you read and follow his advise, you will clean between shots, and you will not need a "fouling" shot in your rifle, for any purpose.
http://www.blackpowderrifleaccuracy.com/
 
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Thanks Paul for clarifying something that I have been wondering over for about a month now re: whether or not a fouling shot is needed. Your results indicate that it does not indeed sound necessary!

However if I have read Dutch's Accuracy System correctly, he always does prepare a shooting session with a fouling shot (using 40 gr of powder and no prb), then cleans with one swipe of a cleaning patch, then loads with prb, and the session begins, with a similar kind of cleaning between each shot. The idea being that throughout the entire shooting session, including the first shot loaded with a prb, that there is a consistent 'one swipe of the cleaning patch' level of fouling in the barrel.
 
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