Fusil de Chasse, at last!!!

[bud in pa]

Pipascus, Being from Jersey I usually respond to people who like to belittle me or my possessions, You have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a s#!t about what you have to say or think! Good Bye!

 

[Banjoman]

Who is going to laugh at it?
No one at least to the owners face
And a man who laughs behind your back isn’t worth considering.
And you do with the best parts you still end up with a repo, that’s all most of us have.
None one of us is 100%. We can’t be. Your TFC isn’t
Your camp isnt
Your clothing isn’t.
We can’t get there
We are all on a trail to do our best.
Everyone reaches a point where we say that good enough
Some are closer than others but none have got there.
Get an old recipe for apple pie, cook it in your authentic looking reflector oven. Have you tasted the past? No
We can’t get those apples any more
Salt pork? I can make it, but you can’t get eighteenth century pork, they’re extinct
Hand sew your wool and linen? That’s great, but eighteenth century century sheep are all dead.
Your tent hand seen linen canvas? Mine ain’t, and it’s a good chance you won’t be allowed in a camp with out a fireproofed tent
Your candles all beef tallow? Bees wax was pretty expensive and only the rich used them
Glassed? They had them, but few had them
You’re proud of your TFC? Does it got a hand forged iron barrel, straightness checked by a candle? On first growth walnut? No? American walnut? Awfully farby there
Well you’re just pissing in the wind.
When one gets all high and mighty and reach your point of authentic your going to have a real small camp

 

[tenngun]

That's because it's a replica of an early 18th Century French musket NOT a fusil de chase.

You mean it’s not a hunting gun???

 

[Banjoman]

Those are some damned good points.
I think we should do our best, but what is most important is to share the camaraderie and love of muzzleloading, and make good friends. We can strive for the best along the way.
Your statement made me think of the canoeing aspect of trekking: I would love a real birchbark canoe, but I can't afford one. An imitation birch bark canoe, shaped correctly and painted to look authentic, would be great. But if it takes a regular canoe for people to get together on a canoe trek, so be it.
Sure, a bright green or red canoe would be best at least be painted in some drab tan or something, but I can't imagine disparaging another person who wants to be part of the trek because he has a regular canoe and is trying.

Oh yeah, I got a green plastic canoe too.

 

[Brokennock]

Pipascus, Being from Jersey I usually respond to people who like to belittle me or my possessions, You have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a s#!t about what you have to say or think! Good Bye!

And you have clearly mistaken many of us for the same.

 

[pipascus]

Pipascus, Being from Jersey I usually respond to people who like to belittle me or my possessions, You have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a s#!t about what you have to say or think! Good Bye!

LOL!
You've obviously mistaken me for someone else, are on some kind of drug or medication, or you are insane, because I haven't even addressed you previously, not to mention belittle you or whatever possessions you have.
That being said...

 

[D Yager]

Wow, there are some guys here that real pieces of work. You should see the guy in the handgun section that jumps on anyone who talks about single action action tuners and what thieves we are. The O.P. has simply asked for some insight and he gets attacked and his prize ridiculed. C'mon ease up.

 

[pipascus]

Regarding the front sight...
I need to do something about that square lug. I really like the turtle front sights I have seen.
Are there regulations in events regarding that sight: for or against, neutral, steel, brass?

 

[pipascus]

Pipascus, Being from Jersey I usually respond to people who like to belittle me or my possessions, You have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a s#!t about what you have to say or think! Good Bye!

HOLD ON!!!
Did you mean that the WAY you reply to people who insult you or your possessions is by saying "You have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a s#!t about what you have to say or think! Good Bye!"
???
Maybe there's been a bit of miscommunication here.

 

[pipascus]

Wow, there are some guys here that real pieces of work. You should see the guy in the handgun section that jumps on anyone who talks about single action action tuners and what thieves we are. The O.P. has simply asked for some insight and he gets attacked and his prize ridiculed. C'mon ease up.

Thanks man.
I'm sitting here in tears from laughing, because I now think that Bud in PA meant to say that's how he responds to people who have insulted him-as in saying that's what I should say to the put-down of the fusil.

It reminds me of one time I sent a text to a friend to avoid this movie with a sickening scene. Well, I sent the text to his landline instead of his cell by mistake, and the text was translated into a robotic voice by AI which said something about forced intercourse with a pony and stuff. I don't know how the hell that happened, but his wife got the message.
He had no idea it was me, called the number (me) and started to give me what's for.
I was totally confused.
When I said it was me and asked what the hell was going on, he was confused.
When we figured out what happened, I was laughing so hard I literally could not talk for several minutes.

I can't stop laughing. I needed that!!!

 

[pipascus]

Anyway, the more I look at my gun, the more I want to improve it. It may be humble and nondescript, but I see a hidden gem.

 

[pipascus]

And you have clearly mistaken many of us for the same.

I think I just realized that Bud in PA meant to say that that is how he responds to those who insult him. I think he was giving me a suggestion.
I have been cracking up at the misunderstanding!

 

[Brokennock]

I think I just realized that Bud in PA meant to say that that is how he responds to those who insult him. I think he was giving me a suggestion.
I have been cracking up at the misunderstanding!

I hope you are correct

 

[pipascus]

I'm thinking of removing my front sight, as it is more of a lug than a sight, as Clark accurately pointed out.

I really like the turtle sights, but can't find one I like. I may just make my own.
Am I correct that these are attached using silver solder?

I would also guess that removing the current sight would require heating it up.
Does this affect the barrel in any way?

 

[Maximillian]

Spain was at odds with England and, if I remember correctly, allied with France during the French and Indian War. I was just thinking, what if a Spaniard managed to have been there, perhaps aiding a mission, just before the war, and then staid there, allied with the French? Or maybe a half Spanish half French?
You all know this better than I, and I would really like to explore this-but likely better in another topic, though I know not which one. I see one in the forums about personas, but it says it's for already developed ones. Please feel free to tell me where to post for this. I did so before I think. Will have to search. Just very stressful lright now and I forget stuff with all the endless issues going on at the moment.

Seven Years War, 1756-1763 (also called The First World War by Winston Churchill)

A small portion of the constant conflict between Britain and France encompassing hundreds of years. (see also The Hundred Years’ war and the Second Hundred Years’ War). Crips vs. Bloods y’all.

Can of worms opened, Prussia and Austria are switching allegiances with either Britain or France depending on where you are in the timeline. The division of territory in the new world is only part of the picture, war in Europe is rife. In 1762 Britain declares war on Spain, go figure.

Spain then unsuccessfully attempts to invade Britain’s ally Portugal in the Fantastic War. Spain also looses Havana in Cuba and Manila in the Philippines to Britain, but they were returned in the 1763 Treaty of Paris - wikipedia

Prussia is on its way to becoming the dominant power in Europe. France is going to lose it’s empire and is heading toward the French Revolution. But before all that is allied with the revolutionaries against the British in the Colonies of North America and wins for us, you and me, the liberties we enjoy today. There would be no USA without France siding with the colonial revolutionary forces and ultimately blockading Cornwall in at the Siege of Yorktown. (Thank you Benjamin Franklin for the service of your new nation while Ambassador in France. Merci and Viva la General Lafayette.)

But I’ve skipped ahead in the story. The F&I portion of the war ends in 1763 with the Treaty of Paris, in which France cedes rights to lands east of the Mississippi River to Britain, thus the British Colonies. Spain gives up Florida to Britain and in “compensation” receives “French Lands” in Louisiana. Can you say New Orleans? I knew you could.

I might add, the Spanish population in Florida was…minute. Like, not many colonizers on hand for the most part throughout all of this.

So… “what if…”

Sure, I guess. History is stranger than anything Hollywood could possibly come up with. Speaking of Hollywood that French Missionary in Black Robe was about 100 years before the French and Indian War and look at how that movie ended. Is “sure I guess” or “what if” good enough when there is history like this?

The suggestion is to choose your battles wisely. Do the bit of homework you need to make your representations plausible. If it feels like you’re grasping at straws, and I’m not suggesting you are, plausibility isn’t gunna fly very far.

I, like you, have the very same question. Where does one start?

 

[tenngun]

Regarding the front sight...
I need to do something about that square lug. I really like the turtle front sights I have seen.
Are there regulations in events regarding that sight: for or against, neutral, steel, brass?

Today there are little brass sights on little turtles and stars, that’s what I have on my TFC. These are reinactoisms, historically they had a blade on a flat base
French were a little weak on sights. The 169~ Charley had a blade front sight. But subsequent Charley’s had a sight molded on to the front barrel band.
Track sells sights similar to originals and you can file off the bayonet lug and solder a correct sight on

 

[tenngun]

Seven Years War, 1756-1763 (also called The First World War by Winston Churchill)

A small portion of the constant conflict between Britain and France encompassing hundreds of years. (see also The Hundred Years’ war and the Second Hundred Years’ War). Crips vs. Bloods y’all.

Can of worms opened, Prussia and Austria are switching allegiances with either Britain or France depending on where you are in the timeline. The division of territory in the new world is only part of the picture, war in Europe is rife. In 1762 Britain declares war on Spain, go figure.

Spain then unsuccessfully attempts to invade Britain’s ally Portugal in the Fantastic War. Spain also looses Havana in Cuba and Manila in the Philippines to Britain, but they were returned in the 1763 Treaty of Paris - wikipedia

Prussia is on its way to becoming the dominant power in Europe. France is going to lose it’s empire and is heading toward the French Revolution. But before all that is allied with the revolutionaries against the British in the Colonies of North America and wins for us, you and me, the liberties we enjoy today. There would be no USA without France siding with the colonial revolutionary forces and ultimately blockading Cornwall in at the Siege of Yorktown. (Thank you Benjamin Franklin for the service of your new nation while Ambassador in France. Merci and Viva la General Lafayette.)

But I’ve skipped ahead in the story. The F&I portion of the war ends in 1763 with the Treaty of Paris, in which France cedes rights to lands east of the Mississippi River to Britain, thus the British Colonies. Spain gives up Florida to Britain and in “compensation” receives “French Lands” in Louisiana. Can you say New Orleans? I knew you could.

I might add, the Spanish population in Florida was…minute. Like, not many colonizers on hand for the most part throughout all of this.

So… “what if…”

Sure, I guess. History is stranger than anything Hollywood could possibly come up with. Speaking of Hollywood that French Missionary in Black Robe was about 100 years before the French and Indian War and look at how that movie ended. Is “sure I guess” or “what if” good enough when there is history like this?

The suggestion is to choose your battles wisely. Do the bit of homework you need to make your representations plausible. If it feels like you’re grasping at straws, and I’m not suggesting you are, plausibility isn’t gunna fly very far.

I, like you, have the very same question. Where does one start?

Just an aside. In 1821 the Santa Fe trail was opened. American goods left Missouri and traced to Mexico, that paid in good silver.
The trail and the trade is an overlooked piece of of history as Texas , Arkansas bushwhakers and mountain men were more exciting then mule skinners
I toss this in because of Spanish Louisiana. A Santa Fe-st Louis trail existed and was used off and on from 1763 till 1801when the French got Louisiana back, only to sell it two years later.
The trail was more for messages then trade, but in 1821the path to Santa Fe was known, though it was twenty yeas since anyone was known to travel it

 

[tenngun]

Track smoothie sights
Including the turtle
That’s not HC but I like the turtle

 

[FlinterNick]

HOLD ON!!!
Did you mean that the WAY you reply to people who insult you or your possessions is by saying "You have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a s#!t about what you have to say or think! Good Bye!"
???
Maybe there's been a bit of miscommunication here.

For someone who calls out to the moderators you sure do enjoy the melodramatics.

 

[FlinterNick]

Dates ... it's all about the date of the arm. And quite possibly the architecture might also align to the armory that produced them.

Per Russel Bouchard's book on Tulle arms titled: The Fusil de Tulle in New France, 1691-1741 (copyright 1998), the flat-faced locks began in 1716 for the contracts to the Tvlle (early spelling) or Tulle Armory.

I am only interested in FdC's from Tulle, so I sold off my book on the Native FdC trade guns by Kevin Gladysz, titled: The French Trade Gun in North America, 1662-1759 (copyright 2011), as it focused on arms from St. Entienne. I read it 3-times and underlined/dog-eared every page that mentioned Tulle and the info was scarce.

Oh, one 'nit pick' and pet peeve while I have you all ... I'd like to correct people in the pronunciation 'Fusil de Chasse'. Fusil is phonetically pronounced as 2 syllables, as in 'fusee', but Chasse is only pronouced as 1 syllable as 'chas', and not a long 'a' either. That use is when it is used as a noun for the word hunt, i.e., FdC = Gun of the Hunt. When one would use the word hunt as a verb as in hunting, then yes it would be pronounced as 2 syllables, as in 'chass-say'.

Different era of and different type of gun. Early French trade guns have been found with flat and round faced locks, sometimes known as a continental lock. some of these were also regarded as ‘guns of the trade’ we simplify as collectors as trade guns or tulle guns.

Regardless a French and Indian war or fur trade era tulle’ Fusil de chase would have a flat faced locks with facets and back slashes on the tail, earlier ones with a banana curved plate.

The history is very interesting on tulle guns, but often miss understood and it gets even more confusing when tulle’ started to make more military style fusions with middle barrel bands to affix a sling swivel.