GOEX PLANT

[Tenring]

That’s right, Darn it…

 

[William O.]

New to BP shooting, so bear with me. How well does Pyrodex powder work in a flintlock rifle?

It doesn't.

 

[SPQR70AD]

Sorry, I guess I have been living a delusion in my happy use of Pyrodex RS and P for the last 25 years. Please don’t wake me up…..

I had the same results as you with Pyrodex and for flintlocks I used a tablespoon on their pistol powder to grind it finer and it worked 90% of the time in the cheapest CVA flint pistol

 

[Osseon]

go wave your flag somewhere else if it werent for american EPA -OSHA -Comp -state and income taxes- property taxes- insurance that drove some out of the business there would have been bigger plants and plenty of BP. anybody that operated a business knows the govt is the enemy. while others that sit around and want others to work and risk their money dont seem to know that

They've already moved one or two topics to the politics section where the majority of users can't discuss this issue because people keep bringing up politics. Please for the love of the discussion and this forum, stop bringing up politics, I actually care to talk about this subject without people's personal political beliefs.

 

[Osseon]

what politics and what personal beliefs did I state? are you telling me the facts I stated have nothing to do with operating a business and causing it yo go under or preventing it from being started? do you work for one of the govt agencies I stated?

We know the cause of the closure which has nothing to do with agencies, government or otherwise. Unless you would like to provide an article or source explaining why the BP industry is directly been affected by them?

It could just simply be lack of interest in our Niche hobby of antique weapons, and a factory fire.

 

[SPQR70AD]

We know the cause of the closure which has nothing to do with agencies, government or otherwise. Unless you would like to provide an article or source explaining why the BP industry is directly been affected by them?

It could just simply be lack of interest in our Niche hobby of antique weapons, and a factory fire.

80% of this thread was related to some one else getting into making BP and I stated the govt roadblocks to that. they drove many companies overseas and halted making lead used in ML bullets. so it seems to me there are some retired or active member of these govt agencies

 

[APG]

Don't loose hope!

Note on the NMLRA FB:
"Most of you know that I work for Schuetzen Powder. With the news on Goex, we are assessing the situation and we will work hard to keep you shooting."

Hopefully Schuetzen powder can pick up the slack and keep down the price. Unfortunately when some companies become the only game in town they raise the price. Hopefully Schuetzen does not.

 

[APG]

Don't loose hope!

Note on the NMLRA FB:
"Most of you know that I work for Schuetzen Powder. With the news on Goex, we are assessing the situation and we will work hard to keep you shooting."

You may know if this is correct. Saw on a YouTube video that the US military uses about 1 million pounds of black powder a year. I do know that black powder is used in fuses and things like that.Is the million pounds way off the mark or do you even know? Thanks in advance.

 

[Osseon]

80% of this thread was related to some one else getting into making BP and I stated the govt roadblocks to that. they drove many companies overseas and halted making lead used in ML bullets. so it seems to me there are some retired or active member of these govt agencies

Companies moved over seas because making things and paying pennies in labor is cheaper then paying Americans who have a higher standard of living. I think Apple pays its factory workers something like $1.62 an hour to make our phones. You can't beat that price and government has nothing to do with it. Offloading morally questionable wages to non-Americans has been a staple of our industries for decades. I'll resign in this conversation because its a huge rabbit hole.

 

[Okie Hog]

A poster on one of the Goex links mentioned that a piece of quartz probably caused the 2011 explosion at Goex. Where did the piece of quartz come from? Maybe it came from floor sweepings being tossed into the batch.

"The plant had recently re-qualified a very detailed Process Safety Management plan, which included a hazards review as required by industry standards. Goex also maintained a strict series of Standard Operating Procedures designed to regulate step-by-step activities during the manufacturing process. However, the results of this investigation have highlighted certain structural shortcomings in their procedures that have since been corrected. Due to the obvious risk of foreign contaminants, floor sweepings should not be incorporated back into the manufacturing process. In addition, any equipment that rotates or otherwise imparts mechanical energy to explosives should be x-rayed or otherwise tested in a non-destructive manner to confirm that there are no occlusions, voids or other latent defects before it is placed into service. A regular non-destructive examination and requalification of the equipment should also be incorporated as part of the preventive maintenance program. The Process Safety Management plan and Hazards Review should include a What-if analysis to explore the effects of equipment failure in operations where energy is imparted to explosive materials. The authors also reiterate certain NFPA 495 requirements that, in their experience, have not been consistently followed by industry and have caused explosions at other facilities. All explosives manufacturing and process areas should be regularly swept and kept clean, dry and free of grit, paper, empty packages and other assorted rubbish. Non-sparking tools should be used during all aspects of the manufacturing process, including housekeeping, and any floor sweepings should be disposed of in a manner approved for the explosive product itself. All collection systems should be cleaned at a frequency that eliminates hazardous concentration of explosives dusts or powder from accumulating in pipes, tubing and ducts or within hidden compartments. Finally, any explosive materials or residue should be removed from process equipment and the immediate surroundings before hot work or repairs that might produce heat sparks or flame is performed in the area."

Microsoft Word - F3EDA668.doc (freeshell.org)

 

[springfield art]

I can get plenty of 4F maybe should get a few, but right now my question is can you shoot 2F for pistol instead of 3F I have more 2F ??

Just wish I had logged in more 1F for my Bess! Big 3/4" bore like that needs beefy powder!

 

[springfield art]

Companies moved over seas because making things and paying pennies in labor is cheaper then paying Americans who have a higher standard of living. I think Apple pays its factory workers something like $1.62 an hour to make our phones. You can't beat that price and government has nothing to do with it. Offloading morally questionable wages to non-Americans has been a staple of our industries for decades. I'll resign in this conversation because its a huge rabbit hole.

They use lots of black powder overseas, so hopefully we will see imports increase here in US.

 

[Brokennock]

what politics and what personal beliefs did I state? are you telling me the facts I stated have nothing to do with operating a business and causing it yo go under or preventing it from being started? do you work for one of the govt agencies I stated?

You don't call,

go wave your flag somewhere else

Politics?
And politics meant to start trouble at that.
You don't want me waving my flag?

Then why don't you go someplace with a different flag and stay there

 

[zimmerstutzen]

What was your pay per hour back then? For me, the price of powder now is a lot cheaper now than in the bad old days, when you consider time worked per pound of powder.

I guess none of that matters now, since it will not be available anyway! LOLOLOL

When I started muzzle loading, minimum wage was $1.60 an hour, and I had a part time security job that paid $3.20. But unlike today, many people actually worked for minimum wage. Convenience stores here are paying $18.00 an hour and minimum wage is $7.75. Nobody works for minimum wage around here today. Heck my step son is getting $15 an hour to go to plumbing school. (Imagine, employers so hard for employees they pay them to go to school for several months before they ever do a thing to make money for the company.) However, in 1992, I purchased 5 five pound bags of black powder for $3.00 a pound. I stocked up a couple years ago and I am good for a bit.

However. Powder is still far cheaper in Germany. Todays price at Pfnurer's gun shop outside Berchtesgaden is 24 Euros for a kilogram of Wano. (Made in Germany) That includes their value added tax. The current exchange rate is 1 Euro = $1.16 US. so $27.84 for a kilogram. A kilogram is 2.2 pounds, so it works out to $12.65 cents a pound, including the VAT tax.

 

[Nameless Hunter]

When I started muzzle loading, minimum wage was $1.60 an hour, and I had a part time security job that paid $3.20. But unlike today, many people actually worked for minimum wage. Convenience stores here are paying $18.00 an hour and minimum wage is $7.75. Nobody works for minimum wage around here today. Heck my step son is getting $15 an hour to go to plumbing school. (Imagine, employers so hard for employees they pay them to go to school for several months before they ever do a thing to make money for the company.) However, in 1992, I purchased 5 five pound bags of black powder for $3.00 a pound. I stocked up a couple years ago and I am good for a bit.

However. Powder is still far cheaper in Germany. Todays price at Pfnurer's gun shop outside Berchtesgaden is 24 Euros for a kilogram of Wano. (Made in Germany) That includes their value added tax. The current exchange rate is 1 Euro = $1.16 US. so $27.84 for a kilogram. A kilogram is 2.2 pounds, so it works out to $12.65 cents a pound, including the VAT tax.

Well, that's just plain un-American! We should be getting powder for less than Europe!

 

[Tenring]

The shops that sell BP an hour from me cut the powder sale down to 1 pound per person per day until it’s gone walk in only. I at least picked up 2 before there mandate. I am done no more driving for me, between gas and tolls it’s not worth it.

 

[Osseon]

Its part and parcel to our hobby. You can sit and deny it as well as the moderators...but its still there...if you cannot see what going on around our hobby...much less our country you are in denial.

Not everyone has the same beliefs. I have disagreements with many the statements people have made here but I try and keep them to myself. This forum is for the discussion of the hobby, not around the hobby and in the country. Rules exist for a reason, we can't just break them because we personally disagree. This is after all a privately owned forum, the people running it can do whatever they like. Freedom of speech only applies between people and the state, not between people, never has.

 

[Sam squanch]

I’d just buy up the flintlocks people sell cheap and sit back. Black powder will make a comeback. I know more folks shooting cap and ball revolvers now than in the last 30 years. The demand is there, when the cartridge demand is caught up, muzzleloading stuff will catch up too.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

Not everyone has the same beliefs. Yet we come here to extoll

Not everyone has the same beliefs. I have disagreements with many the statements people have made here but I try and keep them to myself. This forum is for the discussion of the hobby, not around the hobby and in the country. Rules exist for a reason, we can't just break them because we personally disagree. This is after all a privately owned forum, the people running it can do whatever they like. Freedom of speech only applies between people and the state, not between people, never has.

I am glad your content.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

Not everyone has the same beliefs. I have disagreements with many the statements people have made here but I try and keep them to myself. This forum is for the discussion of the hobby, not around the hobby and in the country. Rules exist for a reason, we can't just break them because we personally disagree. This is after all a privately owned forum, the people running it can do whatever they like. Freedom of speech only applies between people and the state, not between people, never has.

discussion of the hobby includes all the factors that may affect it. Am I wrong?