Goex Powder

[Frontier's]

Interesting. I have found Sheutzen and Goex to perform identically. But, for whatever reason, Swiss groups like a shot gun.

Exactly!! I cam not get Swiss in 2f or 3f to shoot accurately with any charge or patch combo. Terrible groups if you can call them that.

 

[Brent_dodson]

I just got the GM Long range barrel and shooting old supply of Goex. I haven't had to restock yet. I did the barrel polish per Mike Beliveau and haven't had issue.

 

[Omahkapi'si]

I have had a few misfires with Schutzen. Prefer Goex. Have not seen the new Goex in Canada yet, if we see it at all.

 

[Frontier's]

I'll be picking up new goex on the 4th and will do a review on it.

 

[Omahkapi'si]

I should clarify. Goex in the flintlock. Triple 7 usually in the caplock.

 

[smokepolehall]

Last time i bought several cans of Goex was 20 years ago at Dixie Gunworks. I believe i paid $4.95 per can of it. I picked up 4 cans of it.

 

[david w]

Last time i bought several cans of Goex was 20 years ago at Dixie Gunworks. I believe i paid $4.95 per can of it. I picked up 4 cans of it.

I remember my visits to Dixie Gun Works. The original guns he accumulated is amazing. There is also the car museum.

 

[smokepolehall]

I remember my visits to Dixie Gun Works. The original guns he accumulated is amazing. There is also the car museum.

Didn't visit car Museum, but i took some time looking at lots of different ML's they had at the time.

 

[B P Maniac Shooter]

Anyone that can full clean in 5 to 7 minutes isn't doing a very good job.

This took longer than that to properly clean.

I don't disassemble the lock every time I clean a gun.
Sometimes I take out several guns to shoot.
I would be hours tearing the locks down & reassembling them.
I clean them with water, soap & a toothbrush.
Dry it well.
Oil the lock & put it back on the gun.
That's worked well for me over a decade now.

 

[brewyak]

It’s the same parent company. I’m pretty sure Swiss is produced at its own location

I've been under the impression that Swiss and Wano/Scheutzen are two different producers??

 

[longcruise]

It’s the same parent company. I’m pretty sure Swiss is produced at its own location

The website for swiss tells this story

Black powder has been produced in Switzerland since the Middle Ages. Initially by farmers, who operated the powder mills as a sideline to agriculture. The initially very poor quality led to the fact that many of the first powder mills were destroyed by explosions. In 1852, the 5 remaining powder mills were put under state control. In 1894, all Swiss powder mills were closed - except for Aubonne and initially Chur, which also had to be closed in 1976 due to the increasingly dense population. In the 1990s, the Poudrerie d'Aubonne was seriously threatened with closure due to economic difficulties. A joint takeover by the canton of Vaud and a private entrepreneur in 1996 saved its continued existence.

Wano's site simply states privately owned.

I can't find any indication that they are under the same ownership.

 

[maillemaker]

I bought 25 pounds of the new Goex. Have not yet gotten into it as I have a few bottles of old Goex still around.

I used Sheutzen about 8 years ago when Goex was out of stock with my usual vendor. I was in the middle of doing load workups with the Moose Wilkinson bullet. This is a compression bullet with very little lube carrying capability.

I very nearly gave up on the bullet because it became "crunchy" to load after only 3 shots. Not useful in N-SSA competition.

Switched to Goex and now I can shoot the bullet indefinitely.

Word on the N-SSA forums is that Sheutzen is noticeably dirtier in muzzle loaders but may work better in cartridges. Personally I suspect that people shooting cartridge guns simply don't notice fouling because it has no impact on loading like it does with a muzzle loader.

I personally won't use Scheutzen powder again if I can help it.

 

[82ndPA]

The website for swiss tells this story

Black powder has been produced in Switzerland since the Middle Ages. Initially by farmers, who operated the powder mills as a sideline to agriculture. The initially very poor quality led to the fact that many of the first powder mills were destroyed by explosions. In 1852, the 5 remaining powder mills were put under state control. In 1894, all Swiss powder mills were closed - except for Aubonne and initially Chur, which also had to be closed in 1976 due to the increasingly dense population. In the 1990s, the Poudrerie d'Aubonne was seriously threatened with closure due to economic difficulties. A joint takeover by the canton of Vaud and a private entrepreneur in 1996 saved its continued existence.

Wano's site simply states privately owned.

I can't find any indication that they are under the same ownership.

From schuetzenpowder.com;

Schuetzen Powder Energetics, Inc.
We are a national leader in black powder
For firearms, fireworks, mining, and military applications. A joint venture between Petro-Explo, Inc. and WANO Schwarzpulver GmbH, WANO provides over 330 years of black powder production at the same facility in Germany.

 

[longcruise]

From schuetzenpowder.com;

Schuetzen Powder Energetics, Inc.
We are a national leader in black powder
For firearms, fireworks, mining, and military applications. A joint venture between Petro-Explo, Inc. and WANO Schwarzpulver GmbH, WANO provides over 330 years of black powder production at the same facility in Germany.

Yes, I saw that but find no relationship between Petro-Explo and Swiss.

 

[Blackpowder77]

It’s the same parent company. I’m pretty sure Swiss is produced at its own location

They are 2 totally different companies.in 2 different countries !

 

[BP Addict]

Anyone that can full clean in 5 to 7 minutes isn't doing a very good job.

This took longer than that to properly clean.View attachment 330105

I've never seen the inside of a lock that dirty. Even on a flinter!

I don't believe this is what BPMS was referring to.

Walt

 

[BP Addict]

I clean them with water, soap & a toothbrush.
Dry it well.
Oil the lock & put it back on the gun.
That's worked well for me over a decade now.

I do that as well.

Walt

 

[BP Addict]

According to the Gun Works located in Springfield, Oregon with decades in the Muzzleloading community, Estes hired a Chemist to tweak the formula. It now burns cleaner and has higher velocities. The person I spoke to said it's similar to Swiss.

A club member said he knew someone who chronoed it and the increase was "only" 200 FPS. On rifles that shoot velocities anywhere from 1000 to 1800 FPS, 200 isn't insignificant!

Walt

 

[Frontier's]

I've never seen the inside of a lock that dirty. Even on a flinter!

I don't believe this is what BPMS was referring to.

Walt

That's after 2 years of not taking it apart fully

 

[kyron4]

That's after 2 years of not taking it apart fully

Honestly, for two years ,I assume with regular shooting, that doesn't look too bad.