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d.thomson

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I was at the range yesterday and I noticed when I was swipping between shots the first 6 or so inches of the barrel was a lot tighter than the rest. I noticed this ont the way down the barrel as well as on the way up. Starting at the breach on the way up it was easy to pull up the cleaning jag and twill patch but again when I got close to the muzzel it got real tight. Is this standard with Lyman guns or the GPR or just my gun? has anyone had this before?. Thanks for any feed back F.K.
 
Not on mine, 50 or 54 cal. Is your bore new? All bets are off till you get rid of the brown gunk they put in them for protection before shipping. It's the dickens to get out. If your gun is still new, I'd try a few patches with brake cleaner on them. You'll be amazed what comes out of the bore, even if you thought it was clean before you started. After half a dozen patches your bore will be mirror bright. If the tightness persists after that, I'd bet that there is something going on in the bore dimension department.
 
Use a bore brush, with a large cleaning patch soaked in alcohol, or brake cleaner, to scrub that forward section of the barrel, until the ' tightness " is no longer felt. You obviously have some crud there, and it is not being shot out. Lubes won't do it, unless the crud is made from the same lube. Since it isn't, use a good solvent, like alcohol, to cut through it, and get it out. Then clean out any residue from the solvent with soap and water, and lube the barrel to keep it from rusting.

Once you have that stuff cleaned out of the barrel, you can prevent crud from building in that final 6-8 ninches by lubing your barrel with a lubed cleaning patch on your jag, after seating the ball on the powder. The lube will soften the fouling the entire length of the barrel, so you can clean it easily between shots, or, if you are lucky, and live and shoot in the right climate, just load the powder and next PRB in the barrel, and lube the barrel again before shooting the next shot.
 
the bore is shiny clean. I cleaned it with brake cleaner. I checked by removing the vent liner and use a mag light with the cover off placed into the bore through the T.H. F.K.P.S. again a verry insightful explaination.
 
paulvallandigham said:
Once you have that stuff cleaned out of the barrel, you can prevent crud from building in that final 6-8 ninches by lubing your barrel with a lubed cleaning patch on your jag, after seating the ball on the powder. The lube will soften the fouling the entire length of the barrel, so you can clean it easily between shots, or, if you are lucky, and live and shoot in the right climate, just load the powder and next PRB in the barrel, and lube the barrel again before shooting the next shot.

Paul,

Isn't the same thing accomplished by the lube on the ball patch?

Don
 
Don. If the crud is partially dried lube, then new lube will act as a solvent and do as you suggest. However, sometimes, the lube on the patch doesn't last long enough to protect the whole barrel. If you shoot a mountain rifle, or some other gun with a barrel that is 35 inches or shorter, you may never have the problem. I didn't have the problem in my 25 inch caplock gun either. But, when I had my 39 inch barreled .50 cal. rifle made, I had problems with dried residue caking on the last few inches of the barrel. At first I thought maybe I had left some oil, or soap in the barrel the last time I cleaned it. But after scrubbing, and then using alcohol to clean out any oils, or soap, I still had the problem. On examining my patches, they were much drier than I was used to seeing and feeling with my older rifle with the shorter barrel. I read, and thought about it for months, going through back issues of Muzzle Blasts, talking to older shooters at the club, and found a couple of guys who were having the same problem but just were using a bore brush on the gun barrels after every 5 shots or so. When we looked at their patches, we found the same thing. Too dry. They had lubed the patches either at the range, or at home within 24 hours of coming out to the range. We checked all our patches in our range boxes and they were holding as much " wonder lube " as the cloth would allow.

Ergo, something was happening in the barrel. I could not find a way to add more lube behind the ball that was consistent, so, after watching some chunk gun shooters lube their barrels after loading the PRB, it dawned on me that they had the solution. They also tend to shoot very long barreled guns- 4 feet barrels are not uncommon. I tried, it, shot some rounds over a chronograph, discovered a small increase in velocity, but a much more noticable drop in SDV, and NO MORE crud in that last 6-8 inches of barrel. My brother talked to some of the chunk Gun shooters, and they also reported no problem with caking residue at the end of their barrels.

I think we found the solution to the problem. BTW, in BP cartridge guns, where long barrels are also the norm, they place a pea of soft lube between an Over Powder wad, and a thin paper wad that protects the base of the bullet, to add lube to the barrel over and above what is in the grease grooves of the bullets. I laso understand that some of those shooters also lube the barrel before each shot, but I have not witnessed that, or spoken to someone who does it personally.
 
I checked my gun clean and it dosn't tighten up at the muzzel so I gess i'm getting crud up there. the gun only has a 32 inch barrel but I gess each gun is it's own creature. Thanks again for your help F.K.
 
About 10 or so years ago I bought a GPR .54 Flinter. When I was cleaning the shipping/storage grease out of it I noticed the bore tightened up about 2/3 of the way down. It wasn't crud it was the bore. It got better after about 200 shots but it is still there.
It WILL grab a patched ball if you let the bore get too dirty without swabbing.
It seems to be about 2 inches long at the tight point, after that it frees us again.
The barrel shoots pretty well but the gun has since been retired to my gun case. I much prefer my Colrain and Rice barrels.
 
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