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Peter72

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Gents, I have a dilemma.
The facts:
I ordered a Gpr .50 flintlock last August.
Yesterday I was called to say its ready to be picked up.
In the mean time I was made aware that the importer, due to what ever reasons, disabled the set trigger.
To cut a very long story short I have 2
options available.
Have the retailer send it back to the distributor to fix it to the condition I wanted to buy it in or have the part sent to me to install.
I am inclined to have it sent back but my question is if it is an easy job to do myself then I'll save another 4 or so weeks of me waiting. The part that has been removed is the "fly" as was described to me.
Thoughts?
 
The importer would be NOIA Firearms. I suppose that they did that for litigation reasons. You know the lawyer trigger thing.
I think it really sucks that they do that or even see it as a fit & proper thing. This country is gone to the dogs.
I doubt they will send you the parts to put back in but you can always try. In any case, I, if it were me, would not let them get away without hearing my feelings on the matter.
It may be best to see if you can get someone in the USA to send you the necessary (machine parts) to bring that rifle back to what it should be.
To think that I nearly bought from them :shake:
They did not have stock at the time so I went to Forbes Wholesale. No probs there.
O.
 
Don't really want to discuss who, what, why etc. It makes my blood boil.
The 2 options I mentioned are from the distributor and retailer. The distributor can send me the parts for me to fix our the retailer can send it back for a warranty claim. Talk about chasing your tail.
So I'm really after any info if it's an easy job.
 
If it is indeed the fly that is missing I believe that is located as part of the lock in particular the tumbler. It allows the cock to fall to the pan without stopping at half cock. This is not that hard to install. Check out a few YouTube videos and you will be set. If it is the trigger assembly then it is even easier just have them send a new assembly and swap out.
Doc
 
To safely disable the set trigger, you have to do more than remove the fly. The fly will lift the sear over the half cock notch. To prevent the sear from falling into the half cock notch, the rear trigger should also be removed. That way the front trigger will lift the sear over the half cock notch. In my opinion, there has been more done to remove the set trigger function than to remove the fly. You should get the distributor to provide the double set trigger assembly.

Replacing the single trigger with the double set trigger is a simple drop in task.
 
Hard to determine the fix without knowing what is "broken". Look it over and see what they have done to it. Could be as simple as adjusting the set trigger screw.

Removing the set function on the GPR trigger is going to convert it from a bad trigger to a near useless one.
 
The first thing to do is to determine if the gun actually has its set trigger disabled.
Without being sure of this, we are just guessing that it has.

The first thing to do is to check out the triggers.

With the cock(hammer) in the fired position pull the rear trigger until you hear a "click". Then, pull the front trigger.
It should release the rear trigger with a definite POP or snapping sound.
Doing this with the cock in the fired position will not damage the trigger or the lock.
Doing this with the cock at "half cock" can break the sear or the tumbler so don't do that.

If the set trigger will "set" and release, it is working as it should.

Next, pull the cock up just to the "half cock" position. Upon hearing a small "click" it should stay there. This is true with or without a fly in the tumbler.

Now, pull the cock up towards the full cock position.
With your thumb on the cock, pull the front trigger to release it.

Using your thumb to keep the cock from free falling, allow it to move back towards the half cock position.

When it reaches this location there should be a slight pause or slowing down but the hammer should continue to fall to the fired position.

If it does fall to the fired position, the fly is in the tumbler and it is doing it's job.

If the cock stops at the half cock position and a LIGHT pull on the front trigger won't release it, the fly is missing.

If the fly is there but it is not working, set the cock at "half cock" and remove the lock from the gun.
(Unscrew the lock screw a few turns and lightly tap the screw head. This will move the lock out of the mortise.)

With the lock removed you should clearly see the small pointed end of the sear (on the part with the 90 degree arm sticking out away from the lockplate) engaged with the half cock notch in the tumbler.
As you are looking at this you should see a very small, pointed object right under the plate that covers the tumbler and the sear pivot.
It will be resting on top of the sear.
This is the fly.

Now, pull the cock towards the "full cock" position.
As the small pointed nose of the sear gets to the full cock notch, the fly (if it is there) will pop forward and the sear will enter the full cock notch.
If the fly is not there, the only thing that will move noticeably will be the tumbler and it will rotate until the sear reaches the full cock notch.
Upon reaching the full cock notch, the sear will move inward with an audible click as it enters the notch.


Pushing UP on the sear arm will release the cock.
Get a good grip on things and push the sear arm up.
Watch the nose (pointed end) of the sear as it rides against the outside of the tumbler while the cock falls.

If the fly is in place, yo will see the nose of the sear climb up the rearward surface of the fly and hop over the half cock notch.
The cock will continue to fall.

If the seller did remove the fly from your gun before sending it to you, he sold a defective gun and should be responsible for fixing it.

He also needs to be identified to our members so they don't make the same mistake that you did.

Removing the fly in no way makes the gun safer so this is not a legal issue.
The issue is someone intentionally selling a defective gun and his identity should be revealed to us.
 
Zonie,

as always, an educational and enjoyable post.

I would just point out that Peter72 is in Australia, as is the importer in question NIOA Firearms.

What was done to his rifle is unconscionable, But it is not likely to happen to those of us residing here in the States. Not yet, at least.

But this is the kind of thing we can expect, if we allow our Legislators, and less than Sterling attorneys, to infringe upon our Rights. Muzzleloaders are not exempt from such insanity.
 
kr54 said:
Any chance that the adjustment screw is just all the way in and keeping the trigger from setting?
That's always a possibility but much less so than it would be if the rifle were made by Thompson Center or imported from Spain by Traditions.

The small screw between the triggers on a Great Plains Rifle that adjusts the engagement of the front trigger with the rear trigger is intentionally made too short to work on a new gun.

I believe this was done to prevent the owners from adjusting the release screw to a dangerous levels.

That is, on a TC or Ardesa (Traditions import) the screw actually works.
If it is adjusted in too far, the small engagement between the triggers can cause the front trigger to release the rear 'set' trigger with just a slight tap on the side of the stock.
Since the GPR screw is too short to do this, the gun can't accidentally fire.

Grumpa:

Thanks for mentioning the OP lives in Australia.
I guess we really don't need to know who might be behind selling a defective gun. On the other hand, we do have several other Aussie's on board and perhaps they would like to know.
 
Hi.Check the warranty terms.
Normally if you work on the gun yourself ,the warranty is void for any warranty claims , regardless of whether it concerns this issue or any other problem that may arise with the gun.
A four week wait is annoying,but not really very much time if you consider the years that you will own the gun.
Good luck and I hope it all works out for you.
 
Want a new set trigger out of my GPR? I replaced it with one of Davis' replacement triggers and if it was legle for me to simply ship this to you from here in the states you are welcome to it, no idea how long it would take to get to you, nor what it would cost to ship it, but it's just sitting here in my shop gathering dust, and no those here in the states can't have it, so there, well I guess if someone really needed it they could. :)
 
Working right, working wrong, safe, or unsafe.

This is how my 54 cal flintlock version of my GPR works.

Pull the hammer back to full cock. pull the rear "set" trigger till you hear a click, then when your ready touch the "Release" trigger.

Are you doing that in that order?

If the screw is off, it does give you problems. Tray a turn or two in or out, just keep track on paper how much your move it from the original position.
 
So, has this gun been inspected yet?

We have a number of good solutions to various problems but so far no description of the actual problem.
 
vulture said:
Want a new set trigger out of my GPR? I replaced it with one of Davis' replacement triggers and if it was legle for me to simply ship this to you from here in the states you are welcome to it, no idea how long it would take to get to you, nor what it would cost to ship it, but it's just sitting here in my shop gathering dust, and no those here in the states can't have it, so there, well I guess if someone really needed it they could. :)


I am NOT a lawyer (yelling intentional). Check the export laws before you ship this out of the US, it could be "armament." I am not saying it is, just saying you should know before you mail.
 
Agreed. I was just making a political point for those of us over here who are not yet in the mess our Australian mates fined themselves in.

I did not miss that the first responder to the OP is from Queensland, and correctly identified the importer, NIOA.
 

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