GROUP SIZE FOR TARGET

[RC]

Hey guys, need yewr help! I'm making a target for our upcoming club shoot in N.Y. I'm taking a blank piece of paper 20" x 15" @ both 25 and 50 yards. NO markings on paper, idea is to shoot your best group of 5 shots OFFHAND,OPEN SITES at center of paper. scoring would be in rings like all 5 in a say 6" circle would be worth 60 pts.next ring 50 pts.and so on ..QUESTION IS how BIG should the first scoring circle be? for 25 yds.?? and 50 yards? don't want a "give me" but want to reward the good (or lucky) shooters.. they're not experts,but some is pretty good..any help would be appreciated!THANK YOU! RC :thumbsup:

 

by first circle do you mean inner or outer circle?

 

[RC]

Inner circle, for smallest group.....then I'll space out (???) for next biggest group and next group etc. till if they get them all on the paper I'll give them 20 points...I THINK...still it the plannin stages...I have till next weekend......

 

[bob1961]

ya can take an 8.5 x 11 inch piece of paper and draw lines on it from corner to corner to make an X....or do that to the paper ya have already....do a measerment like a string measerment to find the lower measerment..........bob

 

I dunno--maybe 1" at 25 yds and 2" at 50? The old timers would just mark a spot--an aimpoint, then measure the group size with a string. Another way to score is shot closest to the aimpoint. The point was sometimes a "V" notch. Originally the common ranges were offhand at 30 yds and prone or from a rest at 60 yds. My old eyes would probably need a 6" black bull at 50 yds just to see it.... :grin:

 

[RC]

white buffalo,,,I'm trying to make scoring rings,like, if your group is in a say, 6 inch circle(around the center) you'd get the max points, if you have a bigger group,next ring,say 8 inches, you'd get x points,next circle less points etc..need a starting circle,,, 4 inch?6inch ? 8 inch? different for 25 and 50 yards? hard to explain I guess...still workin it out.....

 

[roundball]

Hey guys, need yewr help! I'm making a target for our upcoming club shoot in N.Y. I'm taking a blank piece of paper 20" x 15" @ both 25 and 50 yards. NO markings on paper, idea is to shoot your best group of 5 shots OFFHAND,OPEN SITES at center of paper. scoring would be in rings like all 5 in a say 6" circle would be worth 60 pts.next ring 50 pts.and so on ..QUESTION IS how BIG should the first scoring circle be? for 25 yds.?? and 50 yards? don't want a "give me" but want to reward the good (or lucky) shooters.. they're not experts,but some is pretty good..any help would be appreciated!THANK YOU! RC :thumbsup:

One novel approach might be to go to an office supply store, and buy big rolls of those yellow "smiley face" stickers...get the 1" and the 3" size for aimpoints / bullseyes.

For some of my weekend practice I use 1" aimpoint stickers in the middle of paper plates at 25yds, and the 3" stickers on the paper plates at 50yds.

 

[trent/OH]

My suggestion is to use a regular target, posted backwards, and shot as you suggest. When turned forward after the relay, the target is simply scored as normal. The key is to really concentrate on centering that first shot, and using that hole as your aiming point for the remaining shots. That small hole naturally means you need to keep the distance fairly short, like 25 yards.

 

[Zonie]

IMO, you need to start with a circle which is small enough that everyone isn't going to be placing a lot of shots into it.
The reason for this is, if everyone is scoring in this circle, you will have several 1st place finishers.
That's the reason on most NRA targets the 10 ring might be 4 inches in diameter but there is the added 1 1/2 inch "X" ring.

That said, you might have a 2 inch max score ring with a 6 inch, 9 inch, 12 inch and 15 inch circle.
Those sizes make each zone outside of the 6 inch circle 1 1/2 inches wide.

The value for each ring is totally up to you of course, but if I were doing it, the 2 inch would be worth 10, the 6 inch worth 9 and so on.
Shots outside the 15 inch ring would worth 5.

Your idea of "...scoring would be in rings like all 5 in a say 6" circle would be worth 60 pts.next ring 50 pts.and so on..." sounds good until you realize that "all 5 in the 6 inch circle would be worth 60 points" makes each of the shots worth 12 points so if a shooter only had 4 shots in that ring you would give him 48 points? That makes adding up the score kinda difficult.
If you want to stay with the idea that the 6 inch ring gives max points then go ahead and say that the 6 inch ring is worth 10 points for each shot that's in it, 9 points for the next ring and so forth. The 2 inch ring would also be worth 10 points but would be used to break a tie.

 

[RC]

gee, this is harder to explain than i thought...first, this is 1 target of 8 on an aggregate.I have to make each 1 of the 8 targets worth the same amount of points. there are 5 shots at each target,except on the gongs, which if you hit on your 5th shot you get a free shot.(SORRY! it started with the bottle target...6 bottles-6 shots- top score 60) re-entries are allowed on any target,so all must be worth the same..and the circle idea on the "group target" is ALL shots must be within that circle either 60 point circle-- 50 point circle --- 40 point etc..just was wondering how big an inner circle should be,for a better than average shooter .. 6 inch seems pretty big.maybe a 3 inch ring @ 50 yards,then 3+" to 5"ring...then to 5" to 7"ring onto 7"-10"ring and 10+" being lowest score, if all 5 are on the paper..hope that helps explain what i'm trying to do...thank you all for ideas and observations...Any bets on how many of 35 shooters get a 60 on this????? THANK YOU! RC :hatsoff:

 

[plinker]

Use small paper plates at 25 yards and the regular sized paper plates at 50 yards. Every shot that is completely inside the center flat part is worth 20 points and all others that hit the plate are worth 10. If there is a tie have a shootoff at the small plates at 50 yards.

 

[Stumpkiller]

I'd say grouping 3" at 50 yards on a large white paper without aiming marks (I assume the rings will be thin lines and impossible to see) will seperate out 80% of the shooters. I like the concept. Deer don't have black spots or orange dots. I use the bottom of copier paper boxes before deer season for just that purpose: practice picking a spot on a 11" x 17" white target.

 

[RC]

STUMPKILLER, Thank you! that's the idea, everyone of these shooters hunt deer with a ml, so they should be able to center on a piece of paper without a marker. I try to make targets along a hunting type situation (mostly) I also have a 100 yd. air tank for a target,a 75 yard bowling pin to shoot,and a group of 5 metal gongs at different distances..20 to 100 yds that you shoot progressively, now the poker chips at 20 yards,well that's just fun...for me! I think a 3 inch center will divide them up pretty good...also have a 9" paper plate @25 yds crisscrossed,all ya have to do is put one in each quadrant without! touching the lines and one shot dead center hitting all 4 lines..sounds pretty easyy......yeah right! and oh, the star on a 6 inch plate,just touch the star...easy.....you going out on a limb and tell me outa 35 shooters how many stay in the 3 inch circle????? THANKS RC :hatsoff:

 

[bpbrs]

humm sounds like the shoot at Elbridge last weekend.
agg. was 25 yd 6 bull
5 shots at bottle target and woodchuck @ 100 yds shooting at back side, then flipped over to score.