This is a dumb question but can you define a hangfire.When I fire my hawken sometimes there is a slight delay before it fires.I pull the trigger cap fires then about second or less the gun fires.The gun is clean and a new nipple but not a hotshot.I am planning on buying a hotshot tomorrow.
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Sure sounds like a hang fire to me. Hot shot should take care of it.Sometimes black powder ignites better than replacement powder.
Nit Wit :shocking:
Sure sounds like a hang fire to me. Hot shot should take care of it.Sometimes black powder ignites better than replacement powder.
Nit Wit :shocking:
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Hey 51
if you are using pyrocrap use real blackpowder. I had the same thing and switched to BP and never had that problem again
Bearbeater
if you are using pyrocrap use real blackpowder. I had the same thing and switched to BP and never had that problem again
Bearbeater
Inline ignition is a lot hotter if you are using a 209 cap, and even if you aren't it is more efficient because the flame from the cap travels in a straight line to your main charge.
Do not use any kind of pellets in your sidelock.
If you are switch to loose powder and you'll see much better performance.
Do not use any kind of pellets in your sidelock.
If you are switch to loose powder and you'll see much better performance.
Okay, that's good. How about trying different caps then? I always use Remington in my revolvers, but I don't know how they would work in a sidelock (my sidelocks are all flinters.). I used CVA caps once, I would not recommend trying them.
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The easiest way to get Black powder is to order it from www.powderinc.com Yeah there is a hazmet charge and depending on the order a repack charge, but you can order as little as 5 lbs. Find someone to split an order with and it's not too bad. Bill
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Do you pop a couple of caps before loading ? If you clean between shots do you run a dry patch down the bore ? Is the hole in the nipple open ? I doubt that changing the nipple will stop hang fires. Seems like the hang fires that I have had is related to technic not hardware.
Patch51: Your definition of Hang Fire is right on the money.
It is the lag between the cap (or pan) firing (flashing) and the main charge going off.
I have heard storys of this taking over 30 seconds although the longest I've ever had was more like 2 seconds. :shocking:
It is the lag between the cap (or pan) firing (flashing) and the main charge going off.
I have heard storys of this taking over 30 seconds although the longest I've ever had was more like 2 seconds. :shocking:
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I think the Hot Shot nipple will cure the problem. I've tried the CCI No. 11 magnum caps in my rifles, but there was only about 12-15 fps velocity gain and accuracy was worse. I think this was in a .54. Haven't found much difference in Remington or CCI and another brand I can't remember.
When I had what I thought was about to be my first BP deer in my sights and a flashpan overflowing with 4Fg powder, it seemed more like minutes. :boohoo:
Try picking the nipple; if that doesn't work get a couple different brands of caps to try, and try real black powder to compare your ignition time.
Have you tried both 777 and Pyrodex in your rifle? Have you tried anything else?
Answer your questions,
I have used 777 and pyrodex.
the nipple clear/clean.
I pop a cap before firing.
I am trying to work up a load for turkey season (4 days)so I have been running a wet then dry patch after each shot and waiting a few minutes for barrel to cool.
I load the same way everytime,patches,pop cap,powder,slap side of lock,ball/patch,cap ,fire.
This does not happen all the time maybe 3 out of 10 shots.I shot it over 30 times Saturday only 4 hang fires.
I have used 777 and pyrodex.
the nipple clear/clean.
I pop a cap before firing.
I am trying to work up a load for turkey season (4 days)so I have been running a wet then dry patch after each shot and waiting a few minutes for barrel to cool.
I load the same way everytime,patches,pop cap,powder,slap side of lock,ball/patch,cap ,fire.
This does not happen all the time maybe 3 out of 10 shots.I shot it over 30 times Saturday only 4 hang fires.
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Really don't need a hotshot in my view. I've never needed one.
Sounds like you are not getting enough powder in the flash channel under the nipple when loading.
And/Or, if you are field swabbing, make sure you are not leaving moisture, lube or fouling pressed into the flash channel in the bolster, thus preventing powder from collecting in this area or getting it moist or damp.
If field swabbing, use an alcohol patch after a slightly moist/damp (not wet) patch to further clean and evaporate moisture, then dry patch or two.
You need to ensure that your are keeping the nipple and flash channel in the bolster relatively clear.
Simply running a wire into the nipple on occasion may not do it but often will. Depending on how much fouling is getting pushed into the breech area, you may need to pull the nipple every now and then and clean the flash channel & nipple and then lube and re-install the nipple for extended shooting sessions.
When loading your powder, add your powder and then tap lightly on the side of the bolster/barrel stock area with your hand to "shake" powder into the flash channel in the bolster. Then load your projectile normally.
So long as your nipple and flash channel are clear, I've never had a delayed fire with this little procedure of tapping some powder into the flash channel.
:imo: :thumbsup:
Sounds like you are not getting enough powder in the flash channel under the nipple when loading.
And/Or, if you are field swabbing, make sure you are not leaving moisture, lube or fouling pressed into the flash channel in the bolster, thus preventing powder from collecting in this area or getting it moist or damp.
If field swabbing, use an alcohol patch after a slightly moist/damp (not wet) patch to further clean and evaporate moisture, then dry patch or two.
You need to ensure that your are keeping the nipple and flash channel in the bolster relatively clear.
Simply running a wire into the nipple on occasion may not do it but often will. Depending on how much fouling is getting pushed into the breech area, you may need to pull the nipple every now and then and clean the flash channel & nipple and then lube and re-install the nipple for extended shooting sessions.
When loading your powder, add your powder and then tap lightly on the side of the bolster/barrel stock area with your hand to "shake" powder into the flash channel in the bolster. Then load your projectile normally.
So long as your nipple and flash channel are clear, I've never had a delayed fire with this little procedure of tapping some powder into the flash channel.
:imo: :thumbsup:
Also, make sure you put the hammer on half cock and remove the spent cap before reloading. This will allow air to flow out the nipple and powder to get into the bolster area. This alone may help a lot.
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:agree: :thumbsup: :RO:
Forgot that one and still do now and then!
:thumbsup:
Forgot that one and still do now and then!
:thumbsup:
If you can't get real blackpowder or if your rifle just don't like it (some don't) try Pyrodex P. The smaller granules work in closer to the flash channel and there is so little difference in pressure and velocity between RS and P that I don't know why they bother to make two grades.
There was a design flaw in the T/C Hawken carried over to all the Italian copies in that the "flash channel" which connects the nipple to the powder chamber is very small, under 1/8". Just a bit of fouling will partially obstruct that tiny hole and there is no easy way to keep it clear in the field.
When I hear cap-pow I expect to see a T/C Hawken or copy and more than likely pyrodex or substitute powder.
You are way ahead of most though, some think cap-pow perfectly normal. :haha: :haha: :haha:
There was a design flaw in the T/C Hawken carried over to all the Italian copies in that the "flash channel" which connects the nipple to the powder chamber is very small, under 1/8". Just a bit of fouling will partially obstruct that tiny hole and there is no easy way to keep it clear in the field.
When I hear cap-pow I expect to see a T/C Hawken or copy and more than likely pyrodex or substitute powder.
You are way ahead of most though, some think cap-pow perfectly normal. :haha: :haha: :haha:
