Help with a new build

[davy]

I did not get a response in the pistol section on this so I thought I mite repost it here ... could use the help deciding guys .. tell me what you think ..thanx!

The Pedersoli Mang in Graz target pistol in its incarnations. This is the design I like and am shooting for, although at a much much more modest level, think "plain Jane" if you will.

But .. like Zonie, I do enjoy the lines of this style of pistol, elegant and well appointed in appearance ... :thumbsup:

My humble beginnings ... note that I have a Rayl 45 cal 10 " barrel to start with, stuck on my "try" stock.

I currently already have a nice piece of walnut I got from Dunlap woods, but I will not cut on it til I have a solid design down that I can repeat with some degree of skill.

I expect this project will take spell and last for a while and hopefully my very limited skill will increase with practice, before I tackle that nice piece of walnut.

Here are the tang and breech options I am currently considering other than a std breech plug with 2 inch tang I already have.

The dilemma:

What breech plug/tang to use? I like the snell shaped patent breech posted above best, which is sold by TOTW, it is safer I think, and certainly is slimmer in appearance than the patent drum assembly. It also follows the lines of the MAng pistols aboave. The rigid design also I think will lend itself to better accuracy than a hooked breech design (less movement).

I am thinkin that I wanna go with a patent breech to cut down on my own mistakes first time out.

Now ... the problem is I have a 7/8 width barrel and the snell patent breech above that I like is as far as I know only available in 15/16 .. so the question is .. is it plausible, and reasonable to file the breech area down safely to 7/8 on the patent breech plug without problem?

I think it can be done rather easily as you are only taking off about 1/32 around the perimeter to blend with the size of barrel. So what do you think .. am I in the ball parkd here, or do you guys have a better way of doing this or know someone who sells this design in 7/8 size?

Please help ... all comments and suggestions are welcome here!

Thanx

Davy

 

Well, Davy, I like the middle one, but I would do it in a flint, with a long tang, but if yer gonna make it a cussin gun make it a hooked breach long tang. It can be filed down. That's my two pence. :haha: Bill

 

[davy]

Well, Davy, I like the middle one, but I would do it in a flint, with a long tang, but if yer gonna make it a cussin gun make it a hooked breach long tang. It can be filed down. That's my two pence. :haha: Bill

Thanx Bill I appreciate your help ... BTW can anybody identify the style and make of percussion lock that pistol has on it, in the Mang photo I posted above? :hmm:

Davy

 

[faw3]

Davy I dont know but why not get one from Pedro? Fred :hmm: OK..went down the hall and back here you go L+R schuetzen perc lock #25750 MLBS,Dixie same lock 90 bucks looks the same with out the fancey stuff on it MLBS is 78.95. that help?

 

[davy]

Davy I dont know but why not get one from Pedro? Fred :hmm: OK..went down the hall and back here you go L+R schuetzen perc lock #25750 MLBS,Dixie same lock 90 bucks looks the same with out the fancey stuff on it MLBS is 78.95. that help?

havent checked the price from Pedersoli ... but probably high dollar Ima guessin. I cannot get into the link I have for MLBS .. looks like it being rebuilt, or is down or something.

Thanx for the info Fred I appreciate it kind sir!
I was leanin towards an L&R Manton, but I do like the looks of this particular lock.

Davy

 

[Zonie]

Davy: You really don't want to try the Schuetzen lock. Although it is similar in shape:

It is a little large.
The lockplate measures 1.215 tall X 5 inches long.

 

Davy, ya probably want to give Suzy a call at MLBS anyhoo. She's started a new line of pistol parts, so she'll have pistol tangs (those are rifle ya showed) and her catalog is worth the bucks for the info in it. Don't know if the pistol stuff is in the catalog yet. And yeah her site is down, been that way on and off for over a year now. Bill

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

The Mang lock is available from VTI--at a cost of $310.00!

 

[davy]

The Mang lock is available from VTI--at a cost of $310.00!

Wow! $310! :youcrazy: I guess thats not much iffin ya say it real quick like! :cursing: I guess I need to give Suzy a call! See what she has available!

Zonie what patent breech would you recommend? I did not know that the breech/tang other than length would be that much different. Maybe my ignorance is showing ... afterall isn't a 15/16 a 15/16 in size, just reshape and cut off the tang?

I do understand that some locks are larger .. that is why I am considering the L& R Manton percussion lock .. it is a smaller one suited to a pistol from what I understand.

I am also considering a Cain single set trigger.

Good stuff guys thanx ... keep it comong .. I am soakin it up! :thumbsup:

Davy

 

[Zonie]

The smaller locks I've seen in my looking around the TOTW catalog are:

Davis: Becky's Lock: Flint and Precussion 0.8 X 4.19 long.

Davis: J&S Hawken Pistol Lock: Precussion 0.9 X 4.3

Siler: Small Lock: Flint and Precussion 0.87 X 4.78

L&R: Small Queen Anne Pistol Lock: Flint 0.85 X 5

L&R: John Bailes (Small Manton): Flint and Precussion 0.86 X 4.7

MBS shows a Davis Round Face English Pistol lock: Flint: 0.810 X 4.190

TOTW shows a couple of breeches that might be made to work, assuming your determined to use a Patent or English style breech.

15/16 Hawken Pistol Precussion Hooked Breech: 5/8-18 thread

15/16 English "square" Hooked breech & Tang 5/8-18

7/8 Late Eastern Styled Patent Breech 9/16-18 or 5/8-18 Not a Hooked Breech. drum cast in.

Yes, you can file down the 15/16 breech plugs. You could also go with a standard breech plug and install a side drum like I did on my pistol.

Most of these breech tangs will require bending the tang. TOTW says they are malleable steel which can be bent.

If you don't have one, by all means order a new TOTW catalog to see what is available.

 

[davy]

The smaller locks I've seen in my looking around the TOTW catalog are:

Davis: Becky's Lock: Flint and Precussion 0.8 X 4.19 long.

Davis: J&S Hawken Pistol Lock: Precussion 0.9 X 4.3

Siler: Small Lock: Flint and Precussion 0.87 X 4.78

L&R: Small Queen Anne Pistol Lock: Flint 0.85 X 5

L&R: John Bailes (Small Manton): Flint and Precussion 0.86 X 4.7

MBS shows a Davis Round Face English Pistol lock: Flint: 0.810 X 4.190

TOTW shows a couple of breeches that might be made to work, assuming your determined to use a Patent or English style breech.

15/16 Hawken Pistol Precussion Hooked Breech: 5/8-18 thread

15/16 English "square" Hooked breech & Tang 5/8-18

7/8 Late Eastern Styled Patent Breech 9/16-18 or 5/8-18 Not a Hooked Breech. drum cast in.

Yes, you can file down the 15/16 breech plugs. You could also go with a standard breech plug and install a side drum like I did on my pistol.

Most of these breech tangs will require bending the tang. TOTW says they are malleable steel which can be bent.

If you don't have one, by all means order a new TOTW catalog to see what is available.

Hey Zonie

I believe the Bailes Lock is the small Manton percussion lock I was talking about.

Also the Hawken Squirrel Patent breech is the one I was talking about for the breech .. it is smaller in dimension than the Ohio drum breech, and I am thinking than a patent breech is probably safer than a std drum .. that is why I am thinking of it as the my choice.

Here is a link to to it at TOTW ... notice it is considerable narrower in overall width than the Ohio drum patent breech.
[url] http://www.trackofthewolf.com...4&subId=143&styleId=519&partNum=PLUG-PAT-15-5[/url]
[url] http://www.trackofthewolf.com...14&subId=143&styleId=519&partNum=PLUG-OH-14-9[/url]

What do You think? Am I heading in the right direction here? Would there be any problems with the Manton lock & hammer matching up with that Hawkin Squirrel patent breech?

Also tell me what do you think about the Cain single set trigger?

Davy

 

[Zonie]

I think the Squirrel will be easier to file down and the snail would look better than the projecting drum.
It also will be easier to bend the tang to fit the pistols grip.

Yes, I think most of the dealers call the Bailes a "Small Manton". I have one on my Boys Squirrel Rifle. Nice lock.
If you use the Squirrel breech, I notice TOTW recommends using the Hawken Pistol Lock which has a large cutaway to interface with this breech plug. That seems to reinforce one of my concerns about the Bailes lock:
Looking at the picture of the Bailes lock, there is very little material that can be removed in the drum support area to clear the large bolster that the squirrel breech has. If something much larger than a 7/16 diameter drum is used with the Bailes lock, a person might have to remove so much material from the bolster area that they break thru the material the mainspring reacts against. That would frinkle up the lock big time.

As for the hammer alignment, you won't really know the answer until you get the hardware in hand and see how things line up.

I have no experiance with the Cain single set trigger so I can't help you with that question.

 

[davy]

I think the Squirrel will be easier to file down and the snail would look better than the projecting drum.
It also will be easier to bend the tang to fit the pistols grip.

Yes, I think most of the dealers call the Bailes a "Small Manton". I have one on my Boys Squirrel Rifle. Nice lock.
If you use the Squirrel breech, I notice TOTW recommends using the Hawken Pistol Lock which has a large cutaway to interface with this breech plug. That seems to reinforce one of my concerns about the Bailes lock:
Looking at the picture of the Bailes lock, there is very little material that can be removed in the drum support area to clear the large bolster that the squirrel breech has. If something much larger than a 7/16 diameter drum is used with the Bailes lock, a person might have to remove so much material from the bolster area that they break thru the material the mainspring reacts against. That would frinkle up the lock big time.

As for the hammer alignment, you won't really know the answer until you get the hardware in hand and see how things line up.

I have no experiance with the Cain single set trigger so I can't help you with that question.

Good stuff Zonie .. I had read the same things and have a serious concern about the bolster area as well. I want to work as much of this out BEFORE I start on it as I can. I am looking at the Hawken lock and looking at how to proceed on this. Options ! Options! :hmm:

It is an important point to be made about having a proper fit not only with the bolster/snell matchup, but hammer to snall face as well.

Thanx for you input amigo! :thumbsup:

Davy