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I gotta say, I have an 1858 Remington.36, and a 1851 Colt Navy .36, both Uberti.
I gotta be the only person on the planet that can swap the cylinder on the Colt way faster then the Remington. Knock out wedge and easy peasy. That Remington, I can fight 10 minutes trying to get the cylinder back in. The hand and bolt have to be in perfect alignment to get it in.
Ya I’ve watched the utubes, I just can’t get it.
Roll from right, insert from left, tried it all many times.
Nope, take the Colt every time.
If it weren’t that the Rem is so dam pretty, I’d sell her, She a display queen while my Colts are twice a week range pistols.
 
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I gotta say, I have an 1858 Remington.36, and a 1851 Colt Navy .36, both Uberti.
I gotta be the only person on the planet that can swap the cylinder on the Colt way faster then the Remington. Knock out wedge and easy peasy. That Remington, I can fight 10 minutes trying to get the cylinder back in. The hand and bolt have to be in perfect alignment to get it in.
Ya I’ve watched the utubes, I just can’t get it.
Roll from right, insert from left, tried it all many times.
Nope, take the Colt every time.
If it weren’t that the Rem is so dam pretty, I’d sell her, She a display queen while my Colts are twice a week range pistols.
I find that I have the problem with the Remington that you do, that is why I use it as a utility pistol around the property. My main handgun is my 3rd model Colt dragoon by Uberti.
 
if you have the touch and rotate the cylinder the same direction that it rotates when cocked as you slide it in its easy peasy.
 
Back in the day, on one of our annual pilgrimages to Dixie Gunworks, I bought two packages of pre-loaded paper cartridges for my revolvers. One was a .31, the other a .36 caliber. Now, that's been over 50 years ago, so memory's fallible, but as it serves me - the cartridges were less than stellar purchases. Never bought them again.

As a college student at that time, I remember they were priced out of my reach anyway. Supposedly authentic (?) They would've been fast to load, but at least a couple of mine were duds. Nitrated paper? Dunno. Long time ago.
 
I’ve often wondered how fast 19th century black powder revolvers could successfully be reloaded in the civil war or confronting desperadoes given the stress of a situation. Excluding possibly having an extra loaded cylinder acting like a modern day speed loader or having several loaded revolvers, I’m curious just how fast a BP revolver can be quickly loaded using paper cartridges and a capper? I’ve never read any 19th century literature for the civil war or armed confrontations mentioning how quick a BP revolver can be reloaded. Has anyone read or even timed how fast a BP revolver can be loaded without fumbling the paper cartridges, dropping caps on the ground, etc. and all the rounds in the cylinder fire successfully without a mishap? :rolleyes:
The Commanxhe fighting Texas Rangers had it figured out six or more revolvers ,44 caliber .

Blitz
 
When you've 'shot out' other than maybe a grenade and your trenches have been invaded....we were taught that your entrenching tool was highly useful! Never figured on loading a BP revolver fast as ain't nobody shooting at me.
 
I gotta be the only person on the planet that can swap the cylinder on the Colt way faster then the Remington.

I know this has been addressed but will hit it again, if you are fighting the bolt, then there is a timing issue. A half cock the bolt should be down in the frame.

If its not, you should be able to pull back a bit more or not let it go back to half cock and it should be. As long as the bolt is in the frame you should be able to roll it in turning it clockwise (from the back) . Going clockwise keeps you from fighting the hand though you can push that in to help as well.

There are a number of possible aspects to the bolt working right or not, all have to do with the arms and the pin in the side of the hammer and I do not know what to address for what symptom.

One other issue can be too tight a cylinder but it does not sound like it.
 
if you can swap a colt cylinder faster than a Remington you are doing something wrong with the Remington. period.
Now I am not an "Expert" I play one on youtube and I never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. So quoting me is just silly, I know a lil something on that Remington, pending things like how many times fired, how dirty, fouled are the pins even if your just knocking off that crud One could possibly beat that Remington on a cylinder exchange there are a lot of variables that play into it, I also know that "Cylinder Swap" in Hollywood well is a bit over exaggerated, I would say that the exchange of a Colt Cylinder VS a Remington is a 50-50 split at best Shooter Knowledge, fouling build up, it all rolls into it. I Know I Know ya got your ears plugged with your fingers, and your shouting blah blah blah like a toddler when some one say something they do not want to hear
 
if you think its a 50/50 split you are obviously missing something. there simply is no comparison. one you have to take the gun apart and keep track of four different parts. the other the cylinder just pops out and slides back in. if you actually know how to do it its almost effortless. I just timed it. took my Remington cylinder out and put it back in and on safety notch in 7 seconds. No using a table to set the parts on. do it from the holster.
 
I no longer own a shot timer but the only real way to settle this debate is with a shot timer. Look at the split time between your last shot on target then the reload from a pouch on your belt to the next hit on target. Not working off a bench. Has to be a hit on both ends to count. BINTD on a 7yrd IPSC target with hits in the A zone I averaged about 1.5 seconds with my 1911.
 
I’ve been thinking about Indian wars and using single shot pistols and rifles. Think I’d prefer a bow in some cases.
A reasonable idea. The Chinese army was slow to convert to firearms as bows are much faster and effective within range. The drawback is that training an archer, nevermind a horse archer takes years.
That's why firearms became popular very quickly.
 
Back about 20 years ago, the year I used seven pounds of Goex in the NMA, I practiced fast reloads and adjusted my accoutrements to accommodate it; with a double belt pouch (Mil surplus leather cartridge box) containing wads in one, balls in the other, my flask with measue hanging crossbody and the capper on the flask strap; my load time with powder, wonderwad, ball and cap ran about 90-100 seconds. with just powder, ball and caps it was a little under a minute each on average for three cylinders.
I don't know who made the inline capper but it works with the Pietta .44 like it was made special for it. I did not load one chamber at a time but spun through six of powder, then six of wads or balls, then six of caps. This actually went faster for me away from any table, because there is no tendency to lay something down when standing at the firing spot.
The cylinder change in the Remington should take less than ten seconds and probably nearer to five seconds with daily use.
At that time I could still ride and I'm certain that a cylinder swap on horse back would be easier with that revolver than trying to reload it and also easier than trying to shoot a carbine from a moving horse. (Well, I never had a real carbine but I carried a lever action Marlin on my horse many times, key word being carried, as a kid I had learned that accurately shooting a bow from a horse was much easier than hitting anything with a rifle)
I'm not sure that paper cartridges would be much faster to load, but they would have the supply advantage of always using the minimum charge which could save a lot of powder for an army, and would require less thought on the soldiers part. All those wooden boxes though!

Now with that in mind, I doubt that shooting either revolver or carbine from horse back happened other than in military drill or during a cavalry action. A lone civilian or scout would be hiding or running, gunfights were most often ambushes. The little I know about cavalry tactics from what I've read makes believe that carbines were shot while dismounted and that revolvers were shot during a charge and that sabers were the main cavalry weapon.
Think about how long a charge lasts, say 200 yards run in at about 9-10 yards per second, somewhere between 20 and 30 seconds in which to empty the revolver, reholster the revolver and draw the saber; well actually if you don't shoot until 75 yards only 6-8 seconds.
Once in the melee the revolver would as dangerous to your own troops as to the others as the horses rear and plunge.
Not much spare time to juggle another revolver or to reload, but I imagine, and that's all it is- I wasn't there, that after a very few minutes of hacking and bashing with the sabers that the horse soldiers would break off and put some distance between them and the enemy. Regroup, reload, repeat. Horses are not designed for stand still and fight tactics, they are designed to move quickly. Hit and run.
Why two revolvers? Of course men have two hands and given that all the shooters are moving and all the targets are moving, even unaimed or poorly aimed fire will cause some causalities during that minute or less that closes to saber fighting distance, and of course war horse trampling distance too.
 
You are making a bunch of assumptions about what folks could and could not do on a horse. Reading some first hand accounts might be informative. Actual Cavalry troops did NOT have more than one revolver per man and in many troops only officers and NCO's had revolvers. when fighting a large force they often acted as dismounted infantry. when chasing smaller bands of Indians on horseback or ravaging villages they rode very close within 10ft and pointed and shot their pistols or carbines. the mountain men, buffalo hunters and indian scouts practiced shooting from a galloping horse. they had contests with wagering involved galloping past a tree and shooting it with a revolver at close range.
 
I used to be pretty familiar with what could done from a horse, but I also know that even in a horse oriented society and area that not many can do all those things. Riding by and shooting off the side of the horse, from the hip so to speak is the easiest way to shoot a long gun, to shoulder it and aim is working against a lot of factors, to hold it out in front of you and aim straight ahead is tougher, but sure I'll bet some have done it. I know that most participants in the war did not have side arms, but the refrain on this site is always 2-4-6 or more revolvers per rider, etc. Given the rage of those guns and assuming they didn't just walk the horses up to the artillery, they didn't have time to use all those guns.
It's probably easier to shoot well form a gallop than from a walk because of the horse's rhythm your synchronization with it.
My only assumption is no one alive today was participating in any of those events and that even the stories grandpa told about his dad's CW experiences were probably highly edited.
 

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