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If I wanted an Issaic Haines Flintlock:
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I think most of the better builders have made these guns, most probably with the shorter barrels which feed the misconception that this was the common thing with his guns.Any good builder/gun history buff could make a good gun with the Haines traits if they chose to do the homework, many likely allready have.
Larry Pletcher
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Roundball,
If I wanted an Issaic Haines I would contact Bill Shipman. He builds a lot of Lancaster Co guns, and I doubt anybody does these guns better.
B. Shipman
Regards,
Pletch
If I wanted an Issaic Haines I would contact Bill Shipman. He builds a lot of Lancaster Co guns, and I doubt anybody does these guns better.
B. Shipman
Regards,
Pletch
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You could also try members here in the forums. My good friend oldarmy here makes all my guns. I think his next project was gonna be an Issac haines gun. Send him a PM.
I just did a search for "Isaac Haines builder" and came up with a few names. Here is one:
http://www.gobblerknoblongrifles.com/longrifles.html
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Mike Brooks
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Don Getz "invented" the first Iasac Haines kit way back in the late 70's. All the rest are direct copies of his kit. He designed it for Pennsylvania flintlock deer season, that's why it is light weight and has a 38" barrel. He called it an "Isac Haines" as it was Lancaster styled and there was a Haines gun pictured in a book with a 38" barrel.tg said:
Just bought an Isaac Haines from Wayne Zurl at Historical Reproductions. .50 cal, 38" barrel. Hope to have it next week. Builder is Brian Turner and Wayne is a pleasure to work with.
He can have another built for you to your specs. You can still a pic of mine on his website
http://www.waynezurl.com
Good luck
He can have another built for you to your specs. You can still a pic of mine on his website
http://www.waynezurl.com
Good luck
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Rocky Johnson
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James Klein gunstocker. He has an add in Muzzel Blast. (269)729 4407
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Not certain about builders for this style of rifle, I built my own from a Golden Age kit,simply because I wanted a 14" pull and its the only precarve kit they had with this length, and the earliest documentation I could find is 1770.I went with a 42" C weight colerain swamped barrel which makes for a better looking gun than the shorter barrel IMO. I also upgraded to a Davis Deluxe lock; just about identical to a large siler but a hair bigger.
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Roundball,
Sitting Fox Custom Muzzleloaders has two diffrent
Issaic Haines kits for around $469 If you can assemble them yourself.
:thumbsup:
Sitting Fox Custom Muzzleloaders has two diffrent
Issaic Haines kits for around $469 If you can assemble them yourself.
:thumbsup:
Packdog's reply beat me to it. See Birddog 6 and see what you think. He many times has some really killer wood also. If you look on his website, you will see a 1770 Lancaster in 36cal. Very,very nice gun and I know that gun real well. I shoot it allot and it is right here with me. Now if you were thinking of a Tenn. gun, see Packdog. But, both of these guys really build well laid out, thought out, finish fit guns and are members of this site.
BadHorse
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with where you are in the country, roadtrip to Tenn. and see tip curtis about an Isaac Haines. you wont regret it! the best parts unbelievable wood. great guy. i build the Haines ond only buy parts from him. you will be glad you did!roundball said:
"I appreciate all the replies so far.
And I can see I'm already learning...to spell: Isaac"
You feel the force drawing you to a longgun Rouindball? you won't regret it, they are nice to shoot and hunt with.....leather pants and a funny hat will be next
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And I can see I'm already learning...to spell: Isaac"
You feel the force drawing you to a longgun Rouindball? you won't regret it, they are nice to shoot and hunt with.....leather pants and a funny hat will be next
:thumbsup:
If I’ve learned anything about myself during 63 years on the planet its that my primary interest in any undertaking is the element of new discovery, the learning, experimenting, trying new things, etc, not reaching a plateau and staying there and trying to perfect that particular plateau...that’s the way it’s been in everything and muzzleloading is no different.
With my interest always based on hunting as opposed to history for history sake, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed getting up to speed with caplocks and Flintlocks to hunt with since the early 90’s. I’ve expanded into and learned about different calibers of rifles and taken deer with all but the .40cal. I’ve since expanded into various gauges of smoothbores, learned about shooting PRBs out of them, learned about shot load development in bare bores, and about jug chokes, and have taken deer, turkeys, doves, crows, and squirrels with smoothbores now.
As an example of what interests me, the year long journey in planning, studying, load development, then a Jug Choke, getting ready for Flintlock turkeys was capped off with a pair off turkeys with that Flintlock giving me a great sense of accomplishment. But the prize wasn't the turkey itself...gave them both away...the prize was the learning then doing with a Flintlock. And while I’ll continue to turkey hunt with a Flintlock that old familiar feeling is creeping back in like "OK, what’s next" kind of a thing...nothing else "flintlock" to do regarding turkeys except wait for turkey season to come around again and hope I can call one in.
So the "wondering what’s next" thing is what has me toying with the idea of trying a 'long rifle'. The struggle is this...on the one hand I've accumulated a large investment in an excellent inventory of above average T/C Hawken stocks, all the lock upgrades, and a lot of various T/C and GM barrels on them...their quality, reliability, game taking ability are very familiar and well proven...photos typically posted right here every year.
There’s the issue of already being 63 and not knowing how much longer I might even want to keep playing in this hobby...I "think" I will for several more years to come, but who really knows.
Trying to weigh all that against the practicality of stepping away from that whole family of same brand/model muzzleloaders with the obvious benefits of having a "system" of interchangeable parts, etc, into a completely different one-of-a-kind direction.
So assuming I make the decision to consider a full stock long rifle with the primary interest being deer hunting, plus weekend plinking for fun, I first thought the .50cal would be good for woods deer plus be somewhat affordable for year round weekend shooting.
But I’ve since thought about a .58cal...which I really like...because I remembered I can shoot 25 yard range sessions all year long using penny apiece 9/16” marbles. :grin:
And my interest would be to have a hooked/patent breech barrel, requiring the stock to have a pin or wedge design allowing easy & frequent removal for cleaning. (nobody would ever confuse me with a purist)
So, remembering that I’m not trying for a specific historical replica, just attracted to the looks & lines of an Isaac Haines/Early Virgina style Flintlock...(can’t tell them apart yet)...because at first glance they remind me of a T/C Hawken on steroids...it seems like the picture that's emerging would be good quality / figure wood without being an engraved museum piece, a Chambers deluxe siler lock, and a 38" x .58cal barrel with a hooked/patent breech.
With my interest always based on hunting as opposed to history for history sake, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed getting up to speed with caplocks and Flintlocks to hunt with since the early 90’s. I’ve expanded into and learned about different calibers of rifles and taken deer with all but the .40cal. I’ve since expanded into various gauges of smoothbores, learned about shooting PRBs out of them, learned about shot load development in bare bores, and about jug chokes, and have taken deer, turkeys, doves, crows, and squirrels with smoothbores now.
As an example of what interests me, the year long journey in planning, studying, load development, then a Jug Choke, getting ready for Flintlock turkeys was capped off with a pair off turkeys with that Flintlock giving me a great sense of accomplishment. But the prize wasn't the turkey itself...gave them both away...the prize was the learning then doing with a Flintlock. And while I’ll continue to turkey hunt with a Flintlock that old familiar feeling is creeping back in like "OK, what’s next" kind of a thing...nothing else "flintlock" to do regarding turkeys except wait for turkey season to come around again and hope I can call one in.
So the "wondering what’s next" thing is what has me toying with the idea of trying a 'long rifle'. The struggle is this...on the one hand I've accumulated a large investment in an excellent inventory of above average T/C Hawken stocks, all the lock upgrades, and a lot of various T/C and GM barrels on them...their quality, reliability, game taking ability are very familiar and well proven...photos typically posted right here every year.
There’s the issue of already being 63 and not knowing how much longer I might even want to keep playing in this hobby...I "think" I will for several more years to come, but who really knows.
Trying to weigh all that against the practicality of stepping away from that whole family of same brand/model muzzleloaders with the obvious benefits of having a "system" of interchangeable parts, etc, into a completely different one-of-a-kind direction.
So assuming I make the decision to consider a full stock long rifle with the primary interest being deer hunting, plus weekend plinking for fun, I first thought the .50cal would be good for woods deer plus be somewhat affordable for year round weekend shooting.
But I’ve since thought about a .58cal...which I really like...because I remembered I can shoot 25 yard range sessions all year long using penny apiece 9/16” marbles. :grin:
And my interest would be to have a hooked/patent breech barrel, requiring the stock to have a pin or wedge design allowing easy & frequent removal for cleaning. (nobody would ever confuse me with a purist)
So, remembering that I’m not trying for a specific historical replica, just attracted to the looks & lines of an Isaac Haines/Early Virgina style Flintlock...(can’t tell them apart yet)...because at first glance they remind me of a T/C Hawken on steroids...it seems like the picture that's emerging would be good quality / figure wood without being an engraved museum piece, a Chambers deluxe siler lock, and a 38" x .58cal barrel with a hooked/patent breech.
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You know, I got nothing bad to say about T/C guns. They are a great gun for what they are but they are a Morgan horse compared to a Quarter horse with these custom guns. I think it would benefit you a good deal if you looked into visiting some place, some one, near your local that deal with these guns and handle a few so you know exactly what they are all about. If that doesn't get the fire started on wantin one, nothing will. :thumbsup:
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