I notice, that bottle of Black Horn 209 only contains 10 ounces of the propellent. At that price the stuff would cost $79.98 per pound.Sticker shock almost killed me.
I just priced it at Cabela's and it's $49.99 a can
https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/blackhorn-209-high-performance-muzzleloading-powder
Believe that 10 ounces gives ‘the one pound equivalent’ of blackpowder. Remember, most subs are lighter than black.I notice, that bottle of Black Horn 209 only contains 10 ounces of the propellent. At that price the stuff would cost $79.98 per pound.
What track is that ?
This whole topic stated out with the OP bashing Pyrodex and 777 then making exorbitant and broad claims about Black MZ, APP, and Jim Shockly's Gold based on his singular and limited use of the product.
Just another typical day on the forum.
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http://www.americanpioneerpowder.com/dealers.html
He has his opinion, you have yours. Now, drop it. I've had enough of you two bickering.
With the money many have invested in their guns and accudiments, the cost of powder is barely a blip on the radar if it gives the desired performance. I know guys that shoot a lot and cost is a couple of bucks every time they pull the trigger. Cost is just the price of admission to many. And where are you finding BP for $20 a pound today? Pretty much north of $30 everywhere I see it. Also, believe OP was about performance.
Have you tried Blk MZ with wads or conicals and PRB? I think loading it compressed and with an over powder tight fighting wad improves its performance greatly. I can shoot pretty good groups with my .58 using it that way.
That's possible but Pyrodex and Triple 7 are sold by the pound. The fact that Pyrodex is lighter weight than an equal volume of real black powder but it is loaded based on its volume means the shooter gets more shots per pound. In fact, Pyrodex used to brag about it on the label saying words to the effect of, "You Get 30% more shots".
How did it work when you tried it?
A full case of Goex (25lbs) plus hazmat ($25) has finally reached $20 per pound
Is your knowledge and opinion of Buckhorn 209 performance (‘not gaining anything’) based on actual use and knowledge of using and shooting Buckhorn 209 in a muzzleloader?
I was ‘quoting’ prices for 5lb internet and LGS purchases. Remember, many here do not believe in or can not participate in the principle of bulk purchases. I purchase in 25lb lots, but that is me. You can get BP from places like Powderinc for less than $20 per pound in 25 pound lots.
Blackhorn is a whole new beast. The first honest powder that doesnt foul your bore, extremely consistent in velocity. Only set back, 10oz cans and it requires 209 primers. I used to use a 5gr pyrodex booster charge to reliably use it in my hawen. Fun, but time consuming indeed
Sounds like you have never used Blackhorn 209, correct? Hope not. OP as I understood it was asking about performance, not economics. Me, I tried Blackhorn 209 in a couple of side lock percussion guns. Found I needed a 209 primer adapter for consistent ignition and performance, but BH 209 kicked butt as far as consistency and velocity, and left virtuality no residue. Still found adapters to be a PIA. In plunger style inlines it didn’t work very well. In closed breech guns with 209 primer ignition it was hard to beat, but not my thing. I’ve burned a few pounds just experimenting. Please don’t tell me you are a keyboard jockey basing opinion on what you researched on the internet, never having used BH209?
