Kaido's 240gr Conical is a Keeper for sure

[Frontstuffer070]

Today was the first time out with the 240 grain Kaido Conicals I cast from my mold. They did very well out of my Uberti NMA with standard sights and Slix Shot Nipples. The revolver shot it's best group with a 30 grain charge. That load is stout, and that bullet hit the back stop at 40 meters with authority. 30 grains is the limit, the bullets are right near the top of the cylinder. If any more power is needed which I doubt, triple 7 may be the answer to that. The pic is the last 12 shots with the 30 grain charge @ 25 yards. They hit to point of aim when I do my part and as you can see a few times I did not. While they may have been fliers, I'm still saying it was me. But in all any one of them is meat on the table.

 

[snakebit]

Good shooting.

 

[Pete453]

They're a light handgun to shoot those loads, they get vigorous don't they!

 

[Blackpowderart]

Uberti? Are they actual stainless or some type of coating? Good shooting

 

[Frontstuffer070]

They're a light handgun to shoot those loads, they get vigorous don't they!

Yes Sir! Very, uhh, spirited LOL

Uberti? Are they actual stainless or some type of coating? Good shooting

I don't know. But the side of the hammer where the hand screws on will rust pretty quickly if I don't keep grease in that area of the action. Only in that one area though, there has never been a spec of surface rust anywhere else on that revolver. Truth be told it is a nice one, locks up tighter than Dick's hat band, and shoots great with RB or Conicals. But a stainless cap and ball is not my thing. I got this one in a trade.

 

[Dusty_Traveler]

Fantastic!!

 

[Dickydalton]

Those bullets work well in my ROAs also with the 30 grains.

 

[M. De Land]

Today was the first time out with the 240 grain Kaido Conicals I cast from my mold. They did very well out of my Uberti NMA with standard sights and Slix Shot Nipples. The revolver shot it's best group with a 30 grain charge. That load is stout, and that bullet hit the back stop at 40 meters with authority. 30 grains is the limit, the bullets are right near the top of the cylinder. If any more power is needed which I doubt, triple 7 may be the answer to that. The pic is the last 12 shots with the 30 grain charge @ 25 yards. They hit to point of aim when I do my part and as you can see a few times I did not. While they may have been fliers, I'm still saying it was me. But in all any one of them is meat on the table.

I think they are a bit to heavy/ long for best all around use in black powder revolvers in .44 cal. My guess is that some where around 200-210 grains with the same nose profile would be a better balance, plenty heavy for hunting penetration and knock down, shoot faster and have better trajectory.

 

[Smokerr]

I am having a hard time fathoming fast and better trajectory being used in a BP gun! We are talking 1100 to 1200 fps max and I doubt even close to it with that load. Sort of like saying a Mortar has trajectory. Well it does but it sure ain't flat.

A lead ball might, 30 grains of lead out of 240? Hmmm.

 

[M. De Land]

I am having a hard time fathoming fast and better trajectory being used in a BP gun! We are talking 1100 to 1200 fps max and I doubt even close to it with that load. Sort of like saying a Mortar has trajectory. Well it does but it sure ain't flat.

A lead ball might, 30 grains of lead out of 240? Hmmm.

Because your not getting anywhere near that velocity with that heavy of bullet in most .44s shooting black powder and I doubt it with the synthetics, more like 900 fps if your lucky ! Heck the 147 grain balls aren't even going 1200 fps with the powder space available in anything but the Walker.

 

[Bad Karma]

This bullet over 30+ grains of 4f or triple 7 is an excellent choice for thin skinned medium game like whitetail deer… very accurate in the ROA and also the Uberti colts.

 

[Smokerr]

Because your not getting anywhere near that velocity with that heavy of bullet in most .44s shooting black powder and I doubt it with the synthetics, more like 900 fps if your lucky ! Heck the 147 grain balls aren't even going 1200 fps with the powder space available in anything but the Walker.

Looking at my notes, with Pyro Pellets and Triple 7 - I was getting 1100 FPS out of an NMA and not trying.

I figure I could push the loads to 1200 fps with .454 ball and up past that with .451.

Still, trajectory for a BP going 850 fps with a 147 gr ball is more mortar like. Technically its a trajectory but its a looping one. Mortars have fins to help them out!

 

[Frontstuffer070]

Mike B, got 900fps with the 240 Kaido and a 40 grain charge of black. I'm not so sure I can get 40 grs under that bullet in mine. He did say he had to really work for it to load that charge. At any rate a 30-35 grain charge and that bullet should have no problems putting a SC white tail in the freezer at a reasonable range.

 

[M. De Land]

Mike B, got 900fps with the 240 Kaido and a 40 grain charge of black. I'm not so sure I can get 40 grs under that bullet in mine. He did say he had to really work for it to load that charge. At any rate a 30-35 grain charge and that bullet should have no problems putting a SC white tail in the freezer at a reasonable range.

Must have been one of his beloved Dragoons !

 

[Frontstuffer070]

No it was an '60 Army

 

[Bad Karma]

Looking at my notes, with Pyro Pellets and Triple 7 - I was getting 1100 FPS out of an NMA and not trying.

I figure I could push the loads to 1200 fps with .454 ball and up past that with .451.

Still, trajectory for a BP going 850 fps with a 147 gr ball is more mortar like. Technically its a trajectory but its a looping one. Mortars have fins to help them out!

I got my first .357 at 17 after a few years shooting nothing but cap and ball and .45 colt and acp. I thought I had a lazer…trajectory over a couple hundred yards was so flat!

 

[M. De Land]

No it was an '60 Army

He may have had the chambers bored out to hold that much powder behind that long of a bullet.
I think there may be some steel that can be safely removed in the bottom corners of these dual diameter chambers in these rebated cylinders that can increase capacity about 5-6 grains, I've read. I have never had the guts to make this modification but I heard it is being done to some guns.
My guess is an ROA would be the best (perhaps only) candidate for this mod.

 

[Bad Karma]

He may have had the chambers bored out to hold that much powder behind that long of a bullet.
I think there may be some steel that can be safely removed in the bottom corners of these dual diameter chambers in these rebated cylinders that can increase capacity about 5-6 grains, I've read. I have never had the guts to make this modification but I heard it is being done to some guns.
My guess is an ROA would be the best (perhaps only) candidate for this mod.

Clements used to ream chambers of the ROA and said it was good for another 5 grains of pixie dust… I have had many of my 1860’s reamed nearly to the rebated section and gained a bit of capacity as well. Nothing close to 40 grains though.

 

[M. De Land]

Clements used to ream chambers of the ROA and said it was good for another 5 grains of pixie dust… I have had many of my 1860’s reamed nearly to the rebated section and gained a bit of capacity as well. Nothing close to 40 grains though.

In black powder cartridge competition we learned to use drop tubes to compress powder and a trick I picked up I'm sure was not original to me was to stage compress in two or three steps to get more powder in the case or chamber.
Drop tubing is far better because one doesn't break or fracture the grain structure that changes burn rate. Truth is I don't know how consistent stage compression is not having tested it over the chronograph.

 

[Bad Karma]

In black powder cartridge competition we learned to use drop tubes to compress powder and a trick I picked up I'm sure was not original to me was to stage compress in two or three steps to get more powder in the case or chamber.
Drop tubing is far better because one doesn't break or fracture the grain structure that changes burn rate. Truth is I don't know how consistent stage compression is not having tested it over the chronograph.

I’ve been looking at the Hazard Waterproof cartridges as made by Crossen Cartridge formers. They’re compressed to a small degree but if the right powder cake were formed with say 30 grains of 4f and the 200 grain bullet above, it would be potent performer in the 1860 Army and of course the Remington. At least 45 acp levels…