Kentucky/Pennsylvania Rifle Identification

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As has been previously stated the rifle dates to the late FL era and may well have been FL originally. Without removing the lock its hard to tell.
I believe the lock is a replacement from the time it was converted to percussion, assuming it was originally flint.
If this plate was used on a FL it had a cock that stopped on the fence not the lockplate as there is no marking at that point on the lockplate or it was very heavily case hardened and there would likely still be some evidence.
Wood rot from cap flash has removed any chance of seeing the cut for the gooseneck cock in the stock if there was one. If the there is a hole for the front lock screw under the lock it was likely FL. If not and no provision for a hook at the front of the lock then the rifle may have been percussion when new. It could date to 1810 or 1840 or even later. But FLs were still being made in 1840 and its likely that the technology in this rifle, a "modern" nipple for "modern" caps was not commonly available until the early-mid 1830s. The percussion cap did not spring into being with the idea of detonating compound ignition, it took YEARS to prefect to the copper cap and it was not patented until about 1826 IIRC.
The caliber is not particularly unusual. If the rifle has seen a lot of use as appears to be the case it could have been a 44 originally and might still be a 44-46-48 down the bore 6". Getting a true bore size on old MLs can be tough unless the bore is clean and plug gages are used.

Dan
 
vtbuck223 said:
behlftball.... I have thumbed through my meager collection of resources on the subject...certain that I had seen a similar patch box somewhere...but did not find one. It must have been online somewhere. The patch box finial may be a variation on the daisy...it does look like a flower getting ready to bloom. Of course... if we were discussing this as a piece of "fine art" someone would have invariably suggested that it is quite phallic....(If you have read the discussion on another forum this will make more sense.) This is a very interesting piece...and I am surprised that there aren't more thoughts on it....keep looking and I am sure you will find some answers. Please...let us know what you find...also...any chance of getting a close up pic of just the rear ramrod entry pipe?

Some people see di@ks in everything. I have had people tell me some pottery decoration I used to use was phallic :youcrazy:
There is a similar patchbox finial in one of my books. I thought it was in "Rifles of Colonial America" but if its in either vol. I missed it.
Not going to dig deeper. There are a number of pointed finials in these and other books on the subject.
We must also remember that some the parts could be recycled from an earlier, broken rifle. This was actually common since barrels especially were valuable and even if bent, could be straightened the bore leaded or freshed and reused. Same for the other hardware. Though it might be stocked more in the style of the gunsmith that restocked it. Thus there can be a mixing of styles and eras.
Dan
 
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Sorry, I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to upload the individual photos as there was some confusion with my photobucket.







 
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