Lead vs leather

[Mike Brooks]

Those who steadfastly stick to using leather are welcome to their position. But, I notice they are silent about trying the experiment.

I'm just tired of talking aboout it so rather than rehashing old news I'll keep my opinion to myself.
I don't have slow ingnition, and I don't have misfires and I don't use lead. I tried lead years ago, but just don't choose to use it..... no big deal to me.:youcrazy:

 

[BEP]

"I often wonder if the old guys who refuse to try my test are just concerned about competition from the new guys. It would not be the first time some shooter steered a new guy the wrong direction just so he could remain the king on his molehill."

I am very new to this forum. And, up to that point, you were doing okay. But your remark is in poor taste. People have different opinions. Doesn't mean that expressed viewpoints stem from maliciousness or an attempt to be decietful. Good heavens, it's just about what one uses to wrap their flint - not who will be the next Chief Justice on the Supreme Court.

 

[ronrryan]

Way to go Sneezy. Some use lead, some use leather. Next case. Good smoke, ron in FL

 

And some use both. :grin:

 

[tg]

""I often wonder if the old guys who refuse to try my test are just concerned about competition from the new guys. It would not be the first time some shooter steered a new guy the wrong direction just so he could remain the king on his molehill."'

Could be they are just tired of listening to you, I only caught the quote above because someone else copied it as I do not recieve your post it only took a few to realize I had little interest in them...

 

[Stumpkiller]

But, I notice they are silent about trying the experiment. The silence speaks volumes for those who are paying attention.

Never tried heroin or a prostitute, either. Guess some of the good things in life will just pass me by.

Back to my volumes of silence, less that chapter.

 

[roundball]

Those who steadfastly stick to using leather are welcome to their position. But, I notice they are silent about trying the experiment.

I'm just tired of talking aboout it so rather than rehashing old news I'll keep my opinion to myself.
I don't have slow ingnition, and I don't have misfires and I don't use lead. I tried lead years ago, but just don't choose to use it..... no big deal to me.:youcrazy:

Yeah, and what's the ridiculous implication about "being quiet about an experiment" ?
Experimenting with lead as a flint holder?
Why?

I have outstanding ignition that wants for nothing, and will be glad to speak up about "experimenting"...so listen up:

Leather is the real deal...my ancestors used leather and it worked perfectly for them...I use leather and it works perfectly for me.

I have no need, no interest, and no intention of "experimenting" with lead as a flint wrapper.

End of story.

PS: This isn't a troll topic is it?

 

[roundball]

"I often wonder if the old guys who refuse to try my test are just concerned about competition from the new guys. It would not be the first time some shooter steered a new guy the wrong direction just so he could remain the king on his molehill."

I am very new to this forum. And, up to that point, you were doing okay. But your remark is in poor taste. People have different opinions. Doesn't mean that expressed viewpoints stem from maliciousness or an attempt to be decietful. Good heavens, it's just about what one uses to wrap their flint - not who will be the next Chief Justice on the Supreme Court.

Well said Sneezy...and welcome!

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Look, all I ask is for people to try the experiment as I out lined it above, and again a year ago.

I just have one request, could you do it in 1,000 words or less? :winking:

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Those who steadfastly stick to using leather are welcome to their position. But, I notice they are silent about trying the experiment.

I'm just tired of talking aboout it so rather than rehashing old news I'll keep my opinion to myself.
I don't have slow ingnition, and I don't have misfires and I don't use lead. I tried lead years ago, but just don't choose to use it..... no big deal to me.:youcrazy:

Yeah, and what's the ridiculous implication about "being quiet about an experiment" ?
Experimenting with lead as a flint holder?
Why?

I have outstanding ignition that wants for nothing, and will be glad to speak up about "experimenting"...so listen up:

Leather is the real deal...my ancestors used leather and it worked perfectly for them...I use leather and it works perfectly for me.

I have no need, no interest, and no intention of "experimenting" with lead as a flint wrapper.

End of story.

PS: This isn't a troll topic is it?

There you go again roundball with that old refrain, lead is for shooting, leather is for flints. :grin:

 

I think ya'll might be missing the point (or maybe it's me that's missing the point). I don't see anything in Pauls posts that suggests that there is anything WRONG with useing leather. I also don't think his last post regarding "the test" was intended for anyone that has tried both and chose to go with the leather. I think the post was in response to those that promote the use of leather as the "difinitive" answer when they have NEVER tried lead. I think statements like "'X' is outstanding and is the best because it's the real deal" (but I've never tried anything else), borders on worthless and comes across (at least to me) as arrogant. IMO there's a BIG difference between that and saying "I've only used 'X' and am pleased with it's performance". I wonder what the responses would be if Paul was promoting the virtues of lead without ever haveing tried leather?. Likely not pretty.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

I think ya'll might be missing the point (or maybe it's me that's missing the point). I don't see anything in Pauls posts that suggests that there is anything WRONG with useing leather. I also don't think his last post regarding "the test" was intended for anyone that has tried both and chose to go with the leather. I think the post was in response to those that promote the use of leather as the "difinitive" answer when they have NEVER tried lead. I think statements like "'X' is outstanding and is the best because it's the real deal" (but I've never tried anything else), borders on worthless and comes across (at least to me) as arrogant. IMO there's a BIG difference between that and saying "I've only used 'X' and am pleased with it's performance". I wonder what the responses would be if Paul was promoting the virtues of lead without ever haveing tried leather?. Likely not pretty.

Ya I noticed if your opinion hits a nerve on this forum you will open yourself up to lots of feed back,
I listen to what Paul says because compaired to him I am still a pilg, I have in the past not totally agreed with his post but I am never offened by what he has to say.
Somtimes he may sound blunt, but his bluntness never seems to be derived from :bull:
so I can live with a little blunt when it comes to learning more, ie tuning my main spring and frizzen spring to reduce sight viberation :bow: thanks Paul I am excited to try it and will get back to you on my results.
It's a fact you get "bounce" with leather and less with lead. It's up to you what works best for your gun,
Remember as you read these post it will be clear who has the experance from years of pratice.
Paul, Mike brooks, CoyoteJoe and many more.
Thank you gentleman I have !!! learned a lot from you for I am only a young lad of 40 and love to listen to my elders
:hatsoff:
And please, this goes out to all the sages out there, you may get flack for your opinion but there are many of us that need you to make us better muzzleloaders so we to can pass on your skill to new and young muzzleloaders!!
please keep up the good work


:bow:

 

[roundball]

lead is for shooting, leather is for flints.

Hey, that's a good one !!
:hatsoff:

Yeah, I was sitting there this morning after I dropped that 6 pointer in his tracks...thought to myself "if only I'd used a lead flint wrap, he'd even be deader"
:rotf:

 

[ossabaw]

Once lead gives, it doesn't move back. Leather is more elastic and your flint will stay snug longer. I tried lead but found the life of flints was shorter. The dear and pigs in Georgia like leather better. :rotf:

 

[tg]

Once lead gives, it doesn't move back. Leather is more elastic and your flint will stay snug longer. I tried lead but found the life of flints was shorter.

This cannot be true as the commandment of lead has been handed down from the mountain, and from hence must be law.

 

[Okwaho]

Once lead gives, it doesn't move back. Leather is more elastic and your flint will stay snug longer. I tried lead but found the life of flints was shorter.

This cannot be true as the commandment of lead has been handed down from the mountain, and from hence must be law.

What Mike and TG said;and with these caveats:
All flint wrappings are equal but some are more equal than others and TG, I guess someone has an abundance of pearls and sees a need to spread them out.
Ad infinitum, ad nauseum
Tom Patton


:bow: :v :snore:

 

[Otter]

Way to go Sneezy. Some use lead, some use leather. Next case. Good smoke, ron in FL

:yakyak: Yup, here we go again . . . I was hoping after the nearly "come to blows" thread not too long ago, we would all just agree "to each his own" . . . . . . :yakyak:

 

[redwing]

Its not lead or leather. Why the only thing that works is 10 well tanned Horn toad hides. You would only need 0ne but. To brain tan the things you need 9 more as Horn toads have tiny brains. Its kinda like the folks that argue about such things. :rotf:

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

I used to use the whole toad. Stick a flint in his mouth and tighten the whole thing up. Not only did this keep my flints tight, but I had a new pet as well....

 

[renovato]

I've seen these threads for a long time. I guess I don't see the problem with them. What I see is a lot of useful information for flintlock newcomers, like myself. I'm not sure there is one correct solution. What works for one person might not work for another. But please, let's never just "put it to sleep" thinking we've solved it for ourselves, because as soon as we do, we'll have more newcomers to our sport who wants to know. Newcomers are our long term bread and butter.

I've shot BP for decades but had only owned percussion guns. I had fired friends flinters, but never owned my own till recently. I'm thankful for the "debate" and glad to toss in my piddly $0.02 worth when I can. Maybe someday my advice will be worth something, but until then, all of your advice is priceless. This applies to all the other aspects of shooting where we don't always agree.

If we agreed on everything, then we wouldn't need a forum to do it in, now would we? :haha: