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First, I'll say I think the idea of a loading block with the patch and ball already "loaded" into it is a good idea for hunters to have.

That said, I'll agree with necchi, we tend to glamorize Indian raids, battles fought between army's and even groups of people defending themselves from other people (or critters) of all types.

In reality, these things were not common every day happenings.
The lone hunter, out trying to shoot something for food was more likely something that was more often the case and even this wasn't needed every day if a deer or other large animal was taken.

Speaking of a hunter during these times, even he would have little use for a loading block.

More typically, the hunter knows the area well so he knows where to look for game.

If the game is out of range for an easy kill, he would slowly work his way coming upwind to reduce the distance.

Taking very slow and deliberate aim he would shoot.

After the shot he would "mark" the last location where the game was standing in his mind taking note of anything such as unusual trees, rocks, cliff faces etc. and where they were relative to the marked spot.

He would then casually reload his muzzleloader making sure everything was done correctly.
Speed is not required here. Just careful reloading.

Only then, would he start to move slowly towards the place the game was standing when it was shot.

If the game wasn't within a few yards of the spot, he would then start to track it and he would continue to do so until it was found.

So what happened to the game while our old time hunter was casually noting things and reloading?

Most often, it has absolutely no idea what happened or where the shot came from.
It will start to run but will quickly slow down while it looks for something that is in pursuit of it.
If it sees and hears nothing it will slow down to study the situation.
About this time the effects of shock and blood loss will begin to take its tole.
Not feeling well, it will look for a place to bed down.
After it does, that is where its dead remains will be found.

(Yes, I know. There are always exceptions but this does happen, more often than some think.)

Notice how different this is when compared with the modern hunter who blasts away several shots at the game and then charges its last known location as if they were going into battle, paying little attention to the location and surrounding markers that can make finding it easy.

Speed of reloading is critical. Speed of the charge is critical.
The speed that all locational bearings become confused and rapidly forgotten? :(

I think that explains why much game shot by modern hunters is lost in these modern times.


IMO, hunters who choose to use old fashioned muzzloaders need to forget modern methods and hunt like their forefathers did.
Slowly, carefully and deliberately.

OK. Off the soap box.
 
Not a soap box at all. There was a lot of wisdom in your post, and I really enjoyed reading it. The only thing I would add to it is the animal would probably take off in a direction that had a downward grade to it, they often do this instinctively to gain speed quickly against predators.
 
:thumbsup: over and over in the jornals of frontiersman we find some spot where one or two people are caught out alone and have to do some ' trecking' . Often we read of them having a full horn of powder but only 3 of 5 ball in the bag. Sometimes we mistake frontiersmen for airborn troops.
 
Very well put.

A couple of things that have gotten lost from then to now though, in different directions of thought.

First, game, with some exceptions, was more abundent and less stressed, well into the 1800s.

Second, The "hunters" then, were for the most part, hunters, not shop keepers, businessmen, tradesmen, laborers etc.

"Hunters" now, for the most part are shop keepers, businessmen, tradesmen, laborers, etc., not hunters.

I agree that a loading block was/is not a needed part of a hunters gear, then or now. If you hunt with a primative weapon, its about being a hunter, not a shooter.

Martial situations are a different thing entirely, for the most part, and not something you are likely going to run into in the hunting fields today. :grin:
 
Very good reply there Zonie,I can relate to it ,one time while hunting looking down a ridge side i shot at and missed calmly reloaded while keep track of the deer shot missed again reloaded shot and killed a young buck ,he was within 10yds of where he was standing at the first shot ,he would just walk one way a few steps then the other way a few had no idea of where the noise was coming from,the key for my success was i made no big movements while reloading and watching him between shots.
 
The real deciding factor on why cartridge boxes and paper cartridges were common for muskets was because they were all the same caliber. All the Brit's Bess muskets were about .75 and all the French's muskets were .62. So these paper cartridges could easily be made up in-mass at an armory and shipped to the troops.

Rifles...not so much. With hammer forge-welded rifle barrels and the need for a tight ball fit to take advantage of the rifling, the final caliber for what might have been called a .50 caliber rifle, might be .51. .52, .53 or .54. It just depended on how the barrel turned after it was reamed and rifled. Yes, the were hammer forge-welded around a mandrel, but after pulling the mandrel out, they had to be reamed to clean out the center and make sure it was straight, and then they would rifle it. Very labor intensive and very hard to produce exactly the same barrel every time. That's why the price of a rifle also included a bag mold for the bullet that fit that rifle. So rifleman pretty much had to mold their own lead balls as opposed to being supplied with pre-made cartridges.

From participating in reenactments, I can tell you that loading from a cartridge is much faster for a rifle than loading from the horn with a separate measure. I've done both and prefer loading from the horn just because I believe it is more authentic. However, there are a number of places that not only don't allow you to load from the horn, they don't even allow you to carry any powder in the horn for the event. So, I got used to loading from a paper cartridge and it is definitely quicker. Good news for reenactment is that since there are no lead balls being used, the cartridges can be made up well ahead of time

Twisted_1in66 :thumbsup:
Dan
 
I thank all of you for taking the time to provide well-thought responses and all based on wisdom and experience...Thank you thank you! I agree with all said... But, again, I am a longbow hunter and have done so over 35 years...I understand slow, close, and getting a single shot that must count. My gravitation toward the loading block is primarily for organization reasons. It just seems less trouble to have 8 (or whatever number) patched lubed balls held tightly in a block. No loose balls or patching to sort through when you need to grab something from the possibles bag, no loose ribbon of cloth to flag game as you load, no issues with dropping loose balls into the snow, etc. That's what I like so far. Maybe once I've done this for awhile I'll have a totally different take on it! I do appreciate all of you sharing your experience with the subject.

Daniel
 
"It just seems less trouble to have 8 (or whatever number) patched lubed balls held tightly in a block. No loose balls or patching to sort through when you need to grab something from the possibles bag, no loose ribbon of cloth to flag game as you load, no issues with dropping loose balls into the snow, etc".


You just named all of the reasons why I use a loading block while hunting. It's far more easier and convenient as opposed to the alternative.
 
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