Are the sights low to the barrel? Are you seeing heat waves?
He wrote that it was a .32 Crockett.There is still some information being left off the table before any good suggestions can be made. What caliber, cap or flint, round ball or mini,type lube, patch size, yardage being shot, group size, off hand or bench.
Excellent point!I shot my Hawken rifle this winter in 16% humidity and shots were all over the place. The gun was built and is normally shot in much higher humidity 60% to 75% on average. In the dry air the key wedge was loose to the point of almost falling out and lock screws were loose. Snug up and back in business. Just a thought.
When stated “rust in the chamber” how much, where and how do you know this.Just wondering have any of you experienced a loss of accuracy as you shoot? First 5 or so shots are pretty good then things start to go everywhich way? I have that happen with a particular gun, now I have to remove some rust from the chamber and I’ll be doing that here probably tonight and this week but I will shoot 5 good shots and I clean between shots and no matter what I do after that consistency goes out the window. Iv changed lube, patches, different charges etc.. Like I said I’m going to take care of the rust in the chamber but just wondering if anyone else has experienced this
200 shots without wiping. Wow. For me 200 shots mean 200 wipes. I don't see how we can even push the load down with a bore caked with crud.Lube is so important and my tests have shown many fail fast. I use Young country and my friend uses mink oil, both work fine. I have shot over 200 shots without wiping without an accuracy loss. My guess is fouling is filling the grooves.
I can'r see a nipple changing as you shoot. Bore butter and such left my gear long ago.
I do need to find a better Lube the stuff I normally use is about out and yes bore butter is not reliable for me hahah wish it was since it’s so easy to acquire. I will have my buddy shoot it for me as well, I will say I’m shooting off sandbags and have a great rest, not saying it can’t be me but my other guns sight in great with this method. BUT it still can be me hahaha.Lube is so important and my tests have shown many fail fast. I use Young country and my friend uses mink oil, both work fine. I have shot over 200 shots without wiping without an accuracy loss. My guess is fouling is filling the grooves.
I can'r see a nipple changing as you shoot. Bore butter and such left my gear long ago.
yes in the breech area, and I’m believing there is rust bc when I run my patch right when I get to the bottom my patch seems to be getting caught. Now Iv got enough cleaned that it doesn’t rip my patch off but I do have a hard time reaching the end without pushing hard then getting a good grip to get it out. It won’t take off my patch now but it’s still sticking in that area. The rest of the bore and smooth and shiny. Now I don’t have a bore camera so this is going off feel but to me that’s what it feels like.When stated “rust in the chamber” how much, where and how do you know this.
Are you referring to the breech?
I will have to look for a high spot and address this thank you for that insight as well. As mentioned I am shooting off sand bags, shooting at 25 yrds just as I would squirrel hunting. Was shooting around 1/2 inch group and at times 1/4inch but then as mentioned it would open up. I am going to take as many of this ideas to the bench and see what will work best and will update. Friend of mine who I got the gun from said it shot good with Murphy’s oil soap so I will try that as well. I mentioned the catching of the jag and possible rust not trying to say it was his fault or as to trade the gun back but to see if it was doing this when he had it. He said he hasn’t shot the gun in years just cleaned it and kept it away. Like I said the barrel is great till the very bottom but again that’s going off of feel. I appreciate these didn’t ideas, it will get worked out. As for the bottom of the breech area before it does into the patent breech I’m going to do my best to keep it clean but I can only do so much. I don’t think this is the cause of the problem but again I could be wrongLot of interesting thoughts here. I had a problem once with a new rifle where the first few shots would be center, and then they would wander off towards the edge of the paper -- each successive shot a mite further out. Turned out to be a high spot in the barrel inleting. As the barrel got warmer that spot pressed harder on the metal and it changed the vibration characteristics. Friend of mine took the barrel out and found
the contact spot, dressed it down a bit, and presto! Problem went away.
No such scrapper that I know of, and the only other person at my club is me in my back yard haha don’t have to many ppl around me that I know that shoot. Patch and lube are going to be changed here, just waiting this this cold spell and work slow down. I’m not sure I could remove the breech, well to be honest I know I could but to what degree of damage not sure Iv never done it before but I’m sure it could be done. I will try everything that is mentioned and go into the heavier stuff if need be. Also might try the molasses trick to clean Iv read about it here a couple of time.If the breech face is bored out smaller than bore diameter, then a cleaning patch will stop at the front of that chamber of the patent breech. Unless you have a fouling scraper that is custom matched to that cavity, you won't get the fouling cleaned out well. Each time you push a moist cleaning patch down to the breech face, you shove fouling into that smaller than bore diameter chamber. After five shots the fouling build up moves your powder charge and seated patched ball closer to the muzzle. It moves the fouling ring farther up, too. The fouling can clog your flash channel from nipple and drum to the main charge. Are you able to unscrew the breech plug without damaging the drum? If you can, you can clean the rust out at the bottom of the barrel where the breech plug stops. Pitting there may be the cause of your patches getting snagged. Thompson Center made a fouling scraper jag that screwed into the ramrod. The jag was made to match their breech plug face. Does Traditions make such a fouling scraper for their rifles? Are there any other shooters at your range or club that shoot a similar .32 cal Traditions Crockett rifle? See if they are having the same problems with groups opening up after 5 shots on their rifle. If not, what patch, ball, lube and powder load are they using? Are your undesirable groups displaying vertical stringing which can happen with a barrel gets hot? Does the first shot from a clean bore print different than the next four in your initial good group?
I would just add more lube to the next patch when it started to get harder to seat a ball. It worked for me.200 shots without wiping. Wow. For me 200 shots mean 200 wipes. I don't see how we can even push the load down with a bore caked with crud.
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