Maximum twist on muzzleloaders

[Sandro_Ventania]

hello friends of black powder.
I would like to get information.
What is the maximum torque I can have on a muzzleloader?
no sabots, just paper patched bullets.
would anyone know the answer?

 

[Spikebuck]

I suggest you contact Idaho Ron. He is our expert paper patch bullet guy.

 

[Uncle Miltie]

I shoot big .56 caliber paper patched slugs with a 1/18" twist.

 

[Sandro_Ventania]

Eu atiro balas remendadas de papel calibre .56 com uma torção de 1/18

wow... much more than I imagined! I thougth something close to 1:32.
do you use solid bulletts or minie and pritchett?

 

[Uncle Miltie]

977 grains, solid lead bullet. Rifle weighs 35 pounds. Pictured next to 45 ACP cartridge.

 

[Sandro_Ventania]

977 grains, solid lead bullet. Rifle weighs 35 pounds. Pictured next to 45 ACP cartridge.

977 grains = cannonball.
35 pound rifle...yes,yes,yes...this is definitely a cannon...kkkk!!!
would love to see the gun and a grouping over 100 yards
Tell me more, I'm finding it very interesting!

 

[Uncle Miltie]

977 grains = cannonball.
35 pound rifle...yes,yes,yes...this is definitely a cannon...kkkk!!!
would love to see the gun and a grouping over 100 yards
Tell me more, I'm finding it very interesting!

I've posted these before but hey here you go! The rifle was built by H.V. Perry in 1885 , 9x scope. The target is from a match I shot at 40 rods (220 yards) at Canal Fulton OH. Not a great group but it scored well. If you click on the photo with at the bench you can watch it go BOOM! Lots of recoil, and look at the flame at the muzzle!

 

[Sandro_Ventania]

I've posted these before but hey here you go! The rifle was built by H.V. Perry in 1885 , 9x scope. The target is from a match I shot at 40 rods (220 yards) at Canal Fulton OH. Not a great group but it scored well. If you click on the photo with at the bench you can watch it go BOOM! Lots of recoil, and look at the flame at the muzzle!

The side percussion is interesting, it reminded me of the underhammer.
the barrel is a monster and I thought it was short...the color looks like bronze.
I thought the group was very good, congratulations!
I have a barrel with a wall thickness of 8mm, cal .62 with 1 meter... it would make a good cannon like yours.
But the fast torsion issue is that I have a barrel with 1:20 cal .36 torsion and I wanted to know if it was possible to use it in muzzleloaders. I think so and you?

 

[Stub]

I just purchased a TC Scout pistol that has a 1-20 twist rate. TC used to also make a Scout rifle with the same twist. I haven't shot my gun yet but I assume it will be more accurate with bullets than round ball. My gun is 54 caliber but they were made in 45-50 and 54 caliber.

 

[Sandro_Ventania]

I just purchased a TC Scout pistol that has a 1-20 twist rate. TC used to also make a Scout rifle with the same twist. I haven't shot my gun yet but I assume it will be more accurate with bullets than round ball. My gun is 54 caliber but they were made in 45-50 and 54 caliber.

I read somewhere that roundball only work with a twist of 1:48 or more.
I don't know if it's real.

 

[Uncle Miltie]

Lots of hoohaw and other stuff regarding rifling twist and such. A great book to read regarding such things is The Bullets Flight by F.W. Mann.

 

[longcruise]

Lots of hoohaw and other stuff regarding rifling twist and such. A great book to read regarding such things is The Bullets Flight by F.W. Mann.

So well said.

 

[Sandro_Ventania]

Has anyone seen muzzleloaders with a 1:10 twist?
Would it work?

 

[64Springer]

Has anyone seen muzzleloaders with a 1:10 twist?
Would it work?

Looking at converting your .308 to front stuffer?

 

[Sandro_Ventania]

Quer converter seu .308 para front stuffer?

Ammunition .308 is very expensive...kkkk!!
seriously... that's why I have a keg offer with that twist.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

All my 45/70s are 1:10 twist. The single shots shoot 405, 430, and 540gr paper patched bollits.
All but the 540s go 1450fps, the damage in penetrating 6ft of meat, there is enough power at slow speeds. Using holy black only.

 

[stikshooter]

hello friends of black powder.
I would like to get information.
What is the maximum torque I can have on a muzzleloader?
no sabots, just paper patched bullets.
would anyone know the answer?

My Renegade has a Rice 1-17 twist barrel for shooting long (700 yds) baco 443PP Elliptical
530 gr/1=-20 and 1-16 all paper patched/Ed

 

[Sandro_Ventania]

All my 45/70s are 1:10 twist. The single shots shoot 405, 430, and 540gr paper patched bollits.
All but the 540s go 1450fps, the damage in penetrating 6ft of meat, there is enough power at slow speeds. Using holy black only.

very cool!
do you have pictures of them?

 

[Sandro_Ventania]

My Renegade has a Rice 1-17 twist barrel for shooting long (700 yds) baco 443PP Elliptical
530 gr/1=-20 and 1-16 all paper patched/Ed

I think long distance shooting with muzzleloaders is amazing!
700 yards is fantastic.
What type of projectile do you use?
do you have pictures?

 

[longcruise]

Has anyone seen muzzleloaders with a 1:10 twist?
Would it work?

It would work fine for a small caliber bullet gun in the .30 to .40 range.