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Well you did call me uneducated and a self proclaimed expert…. Just a few to start.
And I respectfully hope that you move on from the Indian guns into a better practice.
Commodore Swab is very insulting. It comes across as petulant and whiny. Mike Brooks is insulting also, but he does it with class. It is rather entertaining.
It is not my intention to be insulting which is why I have asked where I have insulted anybody. The closest is Nick with what he had to say but it is difficult to apologize or explain without some context. My argument has been that India has no real competition and that they are functional pieces. My argument has also been that in general when there is crossover and they compare they are far cheaper and lower quality than what is available in Italy or domestically. I have also said that where the india guns come from there are many different builders and importers and it is unfair to lump them all into the same category. Just as it would be unfair to people here to assume that all long rifle builders here were of the same class. As I have said apples to oranges and saying that something is different and doesnt compare shouldn't insult anyone. A fusil is another good example true there are fusils out there being made domestic but I challenge you to find a domestic pre 1700 fusil that isnt a hand built piece from TRS. Commercially availble domestic locks are just too modern (see back on topic . . .) whereas the military heritage fusil IS correct in lock shape and build for a much earlier time period. If you are waiting for a early quality built domestic fusil it could be a very very long wait.You’ve been wildly insulting. Nick pointed out one place where you were insulting. There were others. Your comments and this here, lead me to believe that you’re a troll just out to cause trouble. Maybe not. L
I don’t hide behind a forum name. We see that you do.
In regard to what Nick has claimed that I have i called him "uneducated and a self proclaimed expert" without being able to reference it is difficult to defend so let me assume he is and explain how that can be true. As mike says . . .
I did state "Comments like this illustrate your lack of knowledge. Assuming dozens of different locks all have bad geometry is foolish. Some are good others poor"I just tell it like it is. Most folks can't deal with the truth.
When you claim to work on " I’ve worked on over 30 of them, and put the breaks on it because the time cost is not worth it to me." although you first say "For a year or two i worked on over 20 of them" it gets confusing. Knowing that of the hundreds that annually pass thru every importers doors the ones that are being worked on are the most problematic from a selection of different builders from different (India) companies. To use numbers this small which may in honesty represent 20-30 different people building different guns would be comparable to assuming that every gunsmith in America builds the exact same quality. When you deal with 60 guns of the same model from the same business and can see the differences in the build of those same guns and how their employees have built them slightly different but along the same pattern. Based on numbers alone and what Nick has claimed to have worked on I think it is an uneducated opinion. As far as self proclaimed expert based on limited experience to make claims like
"Most Indian barrels I’ve seen owned by reinactors are in extremely poor condition, so poor that the breech plugs can be turned off the barrel by HAND !"
"They’re not breeched appropriately at all, there is almost no shoulder between the face of the breech plug and the bore, none at all and the breech is flanged"
"The steel is less than adequate for a flintlock, i know that India is heavily involved in recycled steels from ship yards, so its hard to say what you’re working with."
"almost all Indian locks I’ve worked on have absolutely no geometric placement of the parts, they’re simply slapped together."
"Tumbler; the tumblers are rough mill cut and is too small with very short placement of the tumbler notches, the lack of tumbler size has justified their need to make a sear with a very long nose to engage the tumbler, causing an inadequate throw."
It goes on and on . . .After all this explaining and shown how the poor geometry was fixed and proved to be fixed by this picture which to me clearly demonstrated the geometry is not fixed as the sparks are being delivered to the wrong location I have made the assumption that he is inexperienced. This is how I see it
I do not resort to name calling, I do not believe I have insulted anyones work other than stating that there is still a geometry problem on the gun that nick demonstrated he repaired. If I have insulted anyone PLEASE let me know so I can explain what I meant in context as it is not my intention.
To Nick, if you would like an apology it isn't a problem but I hope I have explained how you might have given me the wrong impression.